Scotrail Class 385 Discussion

Goldfish62 · 1 Jul 2018

gingertom said:
Hitachi needs to do something to limit damage to their reputation and restore faith in their ability to deliver.

I know what. Rip out the ironing boards and replace with comfortable seats.

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gingertom · 1 Jul 2018

Goldfish62 said:
I know what. Rip out the ironing boards and replace with comfortable seats.

would go down well with the passengers, maybe not so with the bean counters.

Highlandspring · 1 Jul 2018

My understanding is that the maximum possible penalty clause in the contract was reached some time ago.

gingertom · 1 Jul 2018

Highlandspring said:
My understanding is that the maximum possible penalty clause in the contract was reached some time ago.

how far behind are they? About a year? I take it whatever sanction can be/has been applied is commercially confidential?

Highlandspring · 1 Jul 2018

I don't know any more detail than what I posted.

DackandBlecker · 1 Jul 2018

D365 said:
Presumably ScotRail will be negotiating for sone kind of compensation from Hitachi...

Hitachi re-tractioned 365s?

Kite159 · 1 Jul 2018

DackandBlecker said:
Hitachi re-tractioned 365s?

And lose the nice motor noise in the process?

gingertom · 1 Jul 2018

DackandBlecker said:
Hitachi re-tractioned 365s?

plus some aircon as well, just in case this heatwave continues. Means the windows would need to be changed for non-opening types but Hitachi doesn't really have a good track record with that sort of thing.....

Rail Blues · 1 Jul 2018

Goldfish62 said:
I know what. Rip out the ironing boards and replace with comfortable seats.

Speak for yourself, I find the so called ironing board seats perfectly comfortable and for journeys far longer than the 40 odd minutes the Glasgow to Edinburgh run will take.

I find the seats in the MK4s sheer torture mind you. Bit like bike saddles, what suits one person's arse will be agony for someone else.

D365 · 1 Jul 2018

Kite159 said:
And lose the nice motor noise in the process?

Technically wouldn’t be the motor noise that you’d be losing...

/pedant

800001 · 1 Jul 2018

SC318250 said:
385031 was also noted with the vestible covers the previous week

385031 has had that cover on for several weeks, certainly on before 385004 left.

GrimShady · 2 Jul 2018

Highlandspring said:
My understanding is that the maximum possible penalty clause in the contract was reached some time ago.

I'm assuming the penalty was cash? Even still there's nothing stopping them chucking in something extra to demonstrate good faith.

Goldfish62 · 2 Jul 2018

Rail Blues said:
Speak for yourself, I find the so called ironing board seats perfectly comfortable and for journeys far longer than the 40 odd minutes the Glasgow to Edinburgh run will take.

I find the seats in the MK4s sheer torture mind you. Bit like bike saddles, what suits one person's arse will be agony for someone else.

You do realise I wasn't being completely serious?

SC318250 · 2 Jul 2018

Paths in for more deliveries on Wednesday and Friday evenings

Typhoon_93 · 3 Jul 2018

Hopefully this weeks delivery’s will run as can’t move for the dam things down here at Aycliffe 20+ sets complete n testing and 16+ in production.

ScottDarg · 3 Jul 2018

Tweet by Richard Clinnick this morning states that 5 units have already received the new windscreens:

So far five @HitachiRailEU Class 385s have been modified with new windscreens for use with @ScotRail. They enter traffic later this month. 385005/104 on test last night have both been treated.

https://twitter.com/Clinnick1/status/1014049672862814208?s=19

385001 · 3 Jul 2018

Just spotted 385103 and 385104 at Musselburgh.

It stopped at the station for a few minutes and pulled away as I got over the bridge at the station.

Sorry no pics as I’m on my bike.

Maybe North Berwick for first deployments?

Edit: Appears to be on a test run to Dunbar and back.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G61221/2018/07/03/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G61223/2018/07/03/advanced

gingertom · 3 Jul 2018

385001 said:
Just spotted 385103 and 385104 at Musselburgh.

It stopped at the station for a few minutes and pulled away as I got over the bridge at the station.

Sorry no pics as I’m on my bike.

Maybe North Berwick for first deployments?

first deployments will be E&G out of necessity, because more 170s go off-lease this month.

InOban · 3 Jul 2018

How many go off lease? After all the 365s will release 8.

IanXC · 3 Jul 2018

InOban said:
How many go off lease? After all the 365s will release 8.

6 in July, with another 6 to follow in October I think it is.

InOban · 3 Jul 2018

So July is already ok, and it seems certain that there will be enough 385s in service by October, and who know, maybe Wabtec will have completed an HST set by then. No panic.

gordonjahn · 3 Jul 2018

InOban said:
So July is already ok, and it seems certain that there will be enough 385s in service by October, and who know, maybe Wabtec will have completed an HST set by then. No panic.

Sort of - I wouldn't say July is OK, but it shouldn't get any worse as a result of 170s going south. There are already short-forms elsewhere that probably wouldn't mind getting longer trains back!

Chuggington21 · 3 Jul 2018

gingertom said:
first deployments will be E&G out of necessity, because more 170s go off-lease this month.

I wouldn't bet on it. It will eventually but I'm not sure E&G will get the "1st"

385001 said:
Just spotted 385103 and 385104 at Musselburgh.

It stopped at the station for a few minutes and pulled away as I got over the bridge at the station.

Sorry no pics as I’m on my bike.

Maybe North Berwick for first deployments?

Edit: Appears to be on a test run to Dunbar and back.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G61221/2018/07/03/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G61223/2018/07/03/advanced

Driver training

Carntyne · 4 Jul 2018

The E&G will see Class 385 in passenger service before any other route.

Chuggington21 · 4 Jul 2018

Carntyne said:
The E&G will see Class 385 in passenger service before any other route.

Cool not what I was told but you might have heard differently

170401 · 4 Jul 2018

Chuggington21 said:
Cool not what I was told but you might have heard differently

I expect the remaining class 170 diagram will be top priority if for no other reason than to release stock for the golf open and the Edinburgh Festival.
Nothing stopping them being used on Falkirk Grahamstons either for the same reasons.

Typhoon_93 · 4 Jul 2018

Looks like nothing coming north tonight as the light engine from Tyne to Aycliffe hasn’t ran.

delt1c · 4 Jul 2018

Carntyne said:
The E&G will see Class 385 in passenger service before any other route.

Surely if the 365' are managing on Edinburgh to Glasgow in 8 car formation it would make more sense to introduce the 385s on other services first?

The_Engineer · 4 Jul 2018

delt1c said:
Surely if the 365's are managing on the E&G in 8 car formation it would make more sense to introduce the 385's on other services 1st

No, there's not enough Class 365s to do the full E&G service, hence Class 385s will oust the final diesels….

delt1c · 4 Jul 2018

The_Engineer said:
No, there's not enough Class 365s to do the full E&G service, hence Class 385s will oust the final diesels….

Makes sense, but once 170's are ousted would make sense for service to be shared with 365,s initially

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