Video of it leaving Gilmour St tonight has been posted on Twitter:-
https://mobile.twitter.com/jakeneill14/status/999392332364570629
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Video of it leaving Gilmour St tonight has been posted on Twitter:-
https://mobile.twitter.com/jakeneill14/status/999392332364570629
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gordonjahn
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Does anyone know if both windows have to be replaced at each end or just the one in front of the drivers desk?
I guess it's down to whether a safety-critical secondman ever sits on the other side, but the viewing angle from those windows might be different meaning there's no ghosting issue on that side..
I guess it's down to whether a safety-critical secondman ever sits on the other side, but the viewing angle from those windows might be different meaning there's no ghosting issue on that side..
lammergeier
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I would be surprised if it was deemed acceptable for a minder or instructor driver to conduct a trainee over a route where there was a question as to whether they had an unimpeded view of the signals. In fact I would go so far as to say that if they weren't changed then it wouldn't surprise me if instructors refused to instruct on the 385's. It's going to be bad enough instructing out of that arrow slit window with the gangway blocking the view without the windscreen itself causing problems.
diamond chap
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Windscreen modifications successful:
Perry Ramsey, operations director of the ScotRail Alliance with track body Network Rail, said today: "We have trialled the modified driver's windscreen on the new class 385 trains this week. "The feedback from all parties including [train drivers' union] ASLEF was that the flat windscreen manufactured by the existing supplier would be fit for purpose. "The position of the windscreen proving has been deemed successful using this flat windscreen and the issue of multiple images has been resolved. "As a consequence, ScotRail intends to start the process of driver training and introducing the class 385 into passenger service over the coming months."
Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/trans...-run-after-windscreen-problem-fixed-1-4744877
Perry Ramsey, operations director of the ScotRail Alliance with track body Network Rail, said today: "We have trialled the modified driver's windscreen on the new class 385 trains this week. "The feedback from all parties including [train drivers' union] ASLEF was that the flat windscreen manufactured by the existing supplier would be fit for purpose. "The position of the windscreen proving has been deemed successful using this flat windscreen and the issue of multiple images has been resolved. "As a consequence, ScotRail intends to start the process of driver training and introducing the class 385 into passenger service over the coming months."
Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/trans...-run-after-windscreen-problem-fixed-1-4744877
absolutelymilk
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Will be in service over the coming months according to the Scotsman
https://www.scotsman.com/news/trans...-run-after-windscreen-problem-fixed-1-4744877
https://www.scotsman.com/news/trans...-run-after-windscreen-problem-fixed-1-4744877
The report specifically refers to replacement windows made by the original supplier. I take it this means the Italian replacement; 104 is running with different windows at each end, the other being Belgian. Anyway, excellent news. Even aslef are content.
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I think they’ll still be required if Scotrail are to stick to the plans to release DMUs and 314s
Bletchleyite
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I'm sure it will have been a short term contract.
PYROOGOBBO
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i imagine the E-G will be a mixed line with 3 different units then? 
until total phasing in
i wonder if the 365's could do a E-G via grahamston until completely phased out.
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until total phasing ini wonder if the 365's could do a E-G via grahamston until completely phased out.
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So far there's only 12 sets of 385 delivered, with as many again due to be delivered, but all will need to be modified first.i imagine the E-G will be a mixed line with 3 different units then?
i wonder if the 365's could do a E-G via grahamston until completely phased out.
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With 21 sets needed for just Glasgow to Edinburgh and the power going on shortly to Stirling, Dunblane and Alloa, not to mention the Shotts line due to be powered up later in the year would think the 365s will be needed for now.
If the East Kilbride line gets signed off for electrification, that could be just what's needed there. With more 365s due off lease they would fit in nicely.
PYROOGOBBO
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if 365's are really nice trains, i dont see why we couldn't keep them for a bit longer. would do a lovely job for stirling and E-G Via Cumbernauld/grahamston line
as a regular traveler on the E-G i'll try keep you guys posted up when they are in service >:3
i know off topic, but i imagine 57's or 67's could be used in the very rare case of emergencies incase of an electric line failure? or in the incident like last year where the E-G suffered a flood and i noticed the 380's had to be taken out of service
as a regular traveler on the E-G i'll try keep you guys posted up when they are in service >:3
i know off topic, but i imagine 57's or 67's could be used in the very rare case of emergencies incase of an electric line failure? or in the incident like last year where the E-G suffered a flood and i noticed the 380's had to be taken out of service
The 385s are even nicer and are planned on Stirling, Alloa and Dunblane. As well asif 365's are really nice trains, i dont see why we couldn't keep them for a bit longer. would do a lovely job for stirling and E-G Via Cumbernauld/grahamston line
as a regular traveler on the E-G i'll try keep you guys posted up when they are in service >:3
Queen Street, to Cumbernauld, Falkirk and Edinburgh and Glasgow to Shotts and Edinburgh.
Flooded tracks and electric motors don't mix. Whether they are electric or diesel electric trains.
adrock1976
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Snodland (south of the mighty Thames where 750v DC third rail electrification is used) and Culham (Oxfordshire, on the Great Western Railway route between Didcot Parkway and Banbury, which does not have wires yet)?
This is why it is best not to use abbreviations or acronyms without first saying what they mean, and for railway stations to make sure the correct three letter code is used.
Excuse my ignorance (just an infrequent passenger) but why does E-G need 21 sets? I thought a set can do a return journey and be ready to go again in 2 hours, e.g. take a 4pm departure from either G or E and be ready to take the 6pm again from the same station. That adds up to 16 (8 x 2 sets)? I guess Scotrail build in some buffer including some sets being out for servicing but 5 seems a big number? As I say, I'm a complete novice when it comes to operational practicalities. Just interested to know!
these are the abbreviations used in this thread and NR publicity. I hardly think a discussion on Scottish infrastructure and rolling stock is going to confuse with the places to which you refer.
16 sets in service, 2 sets at each end on standby and one undergoing maintenance.
scotraildriver
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There are no sets on standby. There's nowhere to put them for a start!
stabled nearby at Eastfield and Haymarket depots was what I was led to believe.
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As it stands at the moment there are no hot spare sets on hand specifically for the E&G. With the 15 minute service if a unit has a problem then it's a straight step up or, more typically, a cancellation. I don't see that changing with the introduction of the 385s.
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NotATrainspott
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if 365's are really nice trains, i dont see why we couldn't keep them for a bit longer. would do a lovely job for stirling and E-G Via Cumbernauld/grahamston line
as a regular traveler on the E-G i'll try keep you guys posted up when they are in service >:3
i know off topic, but i imagine 57's or 67's could be used in the very rare case of emergencies incase of an electric line failure? or in the incident like last year where the E-G suffered a flood and i noticed the 380's had to be taken out of service
The 365s are not required for ScotRail's plans in the long term. They're useful in the short term, but once all of the 385s have entered service, there won't be any work for them. They don't fit into the rest of the ScotRail network either, being neither a 38X-type unit nor a BR Mk3 that can work on the Glasgow suburban electric services.
Power failures won't result in diesel locomotives running. On electrified lines a power failure normally blocks the line completely for diesel traction too, like if there are stranded electric trains in the way or the problem is that the electrification wiring and supports have actually physically failed. The immediate first course of action for the E&G would be to use a diversionary route if the power were still available there. Trains on the E&G can divert onto the Falkirk Grahamston/Cumbernauld lines, and passengers can be pushed to use the Airdrie-Bathgate, Shotts or Carstairs services instead. If the power problem is at Edinburgh then there's really not a lot anyone can really do about it other than fix it as soon as possible!
LNW-GW Joint
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There's a lot of talk in here about "high speed trains".
Surely nothing on Scotrail will exceed the current 100mph limit?
Granted the new/upgraded trains will get to that speed quicker.
EK line is long way off , not been confirmed they are electrifying the line .
Would be good if they did, but, it'd be well into CP6 surely!
well the rolling programme of electrification will roll to a halt once Stirling-Alloa-Dunblane and Shotts is completed soon. Plenty of suggestions here how the rolling programme should continue to roll on but nothing from ScotGov as to what, if anything, is to be done next. It would be a shame to lose the expertise built up with E&G, Cumbernauld and Rutherglen/Whifflet.
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