Scotrail Class 385 Discussion

[Y186520]

ERDAM visible on stern of ship seems to fit with HOEGH AMSTERDAM

Left Nagoya 25th April

Due Newcastle 15th June (Teesport ?)

Currently just past Sri Lanka and passing south of India

 

[sprinterguy]

Due Newcastle 15th June (Teesport ?)

Hitachi have an agreement in place with the Port of Tyne (Tyne Dock) for the offloading of train body shells, a number of body shells for the IEP trains having already come into the country that way.

As anybody indigenous to the area would surely tell you, Teesport is a long way from Newcastle.
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It's not stated in the article as it mainly shows the photos above all, how long did it take the 800s to reach the UK?

38 days according to this article:

http://www.offshorewindtyne.com/off...e-gives-hitachi-rail-europe-a-lift/index.html

The first shipment of five left Kobe in Japan at the end of August on board the giant car carrier Höegh Tokyo. Travelling around 5,000 nautical miles they arrived at the Port of Tyne approximately 38 days later in early October

 

[D6975]

20 replacing 16 so not that much of an increase.

It's actually a decrease.
385 20 FC seats per 4 cars - average of 5 per coach
as opposed to
170 16 FC seats per 3 cars - average of 5.33 per coach

 

[asylumxl]

It's actually a decrease.
385 20 FC seats per 4 cars - average of 5 per coach
as opposed to
170 16 FC seats per 3 cars - average of 5.33 per coach

That's not quite how trains work in real life though. You usually don't send out a 3 car unit and one driving car...

 

[D6975]

That's not quite how trains work in real life though. You usually don't send out a 3 car unit and one driving car...

No, but it's the ratio of FC to SC that's the point here, so you have to consider the number of coaches.

 

[themiller]

Hitachi have an agreement in place with the Port of Tyne (Tyne Dock) for the offloading of train body shells, a number of body shells for the IEP trains having already come into the country that way.

As anybody indigenous to the area would surely tell you, Teesport is a long way from Newcastle.
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Tyne Dock is twice the distance of Teesport!

 

[Clansman]

Not even 5.33......, actually 6. Decrease of 2. (170s have 18 FC seats)
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Regards,
My inner OCD

 

[Bletchleyite]

No, but it's the ratio of FC to SC that's the point here, so you have to consider the number of coaches.

Depends. If Standard is presently full and First not, it might be desirable to increase Standard but not First. It isn't the ratio that is important, it's the capacity.

 

[Altnabreac]

No, but it's the ratio of FC to SC that's the point here, so you have to consider the number of coaches.

Also the increase in total stock numbers allows many more services to be run as double units so in many cases you are increasing from 16 First Class seats to 40 First Class seats per service.

 

[jopsuk]

It's actually a decrease.
385 20 FC seats per 4 cars - average of 5 per coach
as opposed to
170 16 FC seats per 3 cars - average of 5.33 per coach

eh? The ratio is lower, but that's because of an increase in standard class accommodation, not a decrease in first class! I'm confused as to why you're trying to spin this as a decrease?

 

[Haig paxton]

I hope they have yellow fronts. The black just won't look right.

 

[Clansman]

Update: Hoegh Amsterdam with the Class 385s now crossing through the English Channel. Anyone know when testing begins at Newton Aycliffe?

 

[Philip Phlopp]

Update: Hoegh Amsterdam with the Class 385s now crossing through the English Channel. Anyone know when testing begins at Newton Aycliffe?

The test track there is up and running, so any time.

 

[hibtastic]

Update: Hoegh Amsterdam with the Class 385s now crossing through the English Channel. Anyone know when testing begins at Newton Aycliffe?

She appears to be in Dublin at the moment. Possibly round to the North-east next?

 

[jw]

Maritime tracking website shows the ship now in the English Channel, headed for Tyne, estimated arrival on Friday.

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[158722]

Maritime tracking website shows the ship now in the English Channel, headed for Tyne, estimated arrival on Friday.

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It arrived 02.26 on Friday and left around 20.00 last night. Was anything of interest off-loaded?

 

[Clansman]

It arrived 02.26 on Friday and left around 20.00 last night. Was anything of interest off-loaded?

That's what I'm wondering too. Usually there'd be a press release to do with the delivery, but none so far.

 

[the sniper]

So, have they disappeared?

Or was the Scotrail strike so successful that they were sent straight back to Japan?

 

[ld0595]

All seems very quiet... Still no news?

 

[jayiscupid]

Still no news on the first unit?

 

[Clansman]

Nothing coming from Hitachi as of yet. Very unusual that they haven't publicly announced the 385s arrival in the UK unlike the Javelins and the IEPs - especially after just under 2 months since delivery. No photos coming from Newton Aycliffe nor has anyone spotted the body shells being carried on the back of lorries to the factory. The only reason I can think of would be that unlike previous deliveries, the 385s that have arrived in the UK are 5 body shells of DMx coaches rather than in a more complete form. There is meant to be a completed 4 car set undergoing testing in Kasado since June but also no news.

 

[jayiscupid]

Nothing coming from Hitachi as of yet. Very unusual that they haven't publicly announced the 385s arrival in the UK unlike the Javelins and the IEPs - especially after just under 2 months since delivery. No photos coming from Newton Aycliffe nor has anyone spotted the body shells being carried on the back of lorries to the factory. The only reason I can think of would be that unlike previous deliveries, the 385s that have arrived in the UK are 5 body shells of DMx coaches rather than in a more complete form. There is meant to be a completed 4 car set undergoing testing in Kasado since June but also no news.

Could there be a problem with the first unit? Possibly damaged in transit or something that isn't up to Hitachi's high standards which is why they're keeping it out of the press?

I'd be surprised though as although the bodyshells are a new type most of the train is tried and tested from various versions running around Asia, particularly Japan and Taiwan.

 

[hwl]

Could there be a problem with the first unit? Possibly damaged in transit or something that isn't up to Hitachi's high standards which is why they're keeping it out of the press?

I'd be surprised though as although the bodyshells are a new type most of the train is tried and tested from various versions running around Asia, particularly Japan and Taiwan.

If you carefully read the comment above yours it states the first delivery was only driving cars so there isn't a first unit in the UK yet!

 

[Philip Phlopp]

First complete unit on its way from Japan (image of this on the ScotRail Twitter account - I'll let someone who can work the width thing post the image).

I'm told it left last week from Kobe after trans-shipment from Kasado and is in the hold of the WW ship Toronto.

 

[superalbs]

Here it is, looking nice.

 

[XCTurbostar]

I'm glad it's got a yellow front haha

Thanks,
Ross

 

[Harbornite]

I like the look of these units, hopefully I'll get round to copping some at Edinburgh.

 

[Clansman]

I'm glad it's got a yellow front haha

Thanks,
Ross

Glad we've settled that debate!

Can anyone read Japanese? Maybe get an idea what he ship's name is for anyone who wants to track it?

 

[Philip Phlopp]

Glad we've settled that debate!

Can anyone read Japanese? Maybe get an idea what he ship's name is for anyone who wants to track it?

They're being off-loaded - that's the ship which brought the vehicles in from Kasado apparently, they're going onto the ship astern, which I'm told is the Toronto.

And it's out of tracking range at the moment.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Will the UK testing be done at Old Dalby?