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Kipperthecat

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So the Network Rail offer is being held up by the TOC element ? Why ?
Isn’t collective bargaining separate for these different sides ?

I’m sure there is a lot of willingness to do a deal on all sides as we now have a Labour government, so hopefully we will get a positive resolution shortly.

However, I have heard murmurs of discontent and comments about splitting the different sections as sometimes the tail is wagging the dog !

To give some timescale , I’m hearing that as long as we get any back pay owed before Xmas it shouldn’t be an issue
 
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Not a single chance that 4% will be acceptable. Impossible.
I very much suspect that the membership, certainly at TOCs, would take it if offered as no-strings, particularly in the context of having already received a deal for the previous year and, presumably, having an offer on the table for this year going forwards. It is highly unlikely to be worth anyone’s time embarking on another campaign of strike action over 1% or so.
 

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I very much suspect that the membership, certainly at TOCs, would take it if offered as no-strings, particularly in the context of having already received a deal for the previous year and, presumably, having an offer on the table for this year going forwards. It is highly unlikely to be worth anyone’s time embarking on another campaign of strike action over 1% or so.
Not a chance would I accept 4% when drivers have been offered 4.75% for the same year
 

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4% was part of a previous offer that was rejected, without being put to members. The accepted offer was no strings. The only commitment was for RMT to take part in a 'discussion, negotiation and consultation process' between January 2024 and April 2024. I'm not sure if this ever happened or what the outcome was.
Think it did and the government's eventual response was that a general election had been called so no further talks and that was the end of that.

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I very much suspect that the membership, certainly at TOCs, would take it if offered as no-strings, particularly in the context of having already received a deal for the previous year and, presumably, having an offer on the table for this year going forwards. It is highly unlikely to be worth anyone’s time embarking on another campaign of strike action over 1% or so.
Would not be a good look for a labour government whatsoever, the lowest earners on the railway getting less than drivers. Can already see the papers and headlines...
 

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Would not be a good look for a labour government whatsoever, the lowest earners on the railway getting less than drivers. Can already see the papers and headlines...
And of course more importantly , wouldn't be a good start at resetting industrial relations which is going to be important if they want to do some of the things they pledged .

So the Network Rail offer is being held up by the TOC element ? Why ?
I dont think that is quite what is being said , what is being said at NR is that they are awaiting a new mandate from the government to make a better pay offer than the one that was previously rejected . And that this is similar to the situation at the TOC's .
 

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Where's the but about the pay being backdated to the pay anniversary and getting back pay?
 

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The full email from RMT.
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"Our Ref: BR2/15/4



TO ALL RMT MEMBERS (EXCLUDING DRIVERS) AT TRAIN OPERATING COMPANIES



30th August 2024



Dear RMT Member,



DEFEND JOBS, PAY AND CONDITIONS - TRAIN OPERATING COMPANIES



As previously reported, your Union has been in constant communication with the Department for Transport, with your negotiating team pressing the DfT for a set of proposals that will seek a resolution to this dispute.



I have now received an email from the Department for Transport stating their intention to send a pay proposal for all-grades (non-driver) for years 2023/2024 and 2024/2025 at the same level as that for the drivers. This will be supplied as soon as cross-department approvals are given.



This would mean that the proposals from the DfT would be as follows:



• Year 2023/24 - 4.75%

• Year 2024/25 - 4.5%



This offer would see RMT members receiving the same pay rise over the three years of the dispute. The above offer and previously agreed offer results in a compounded 14.94% pay rise, with an additional underpin already implemented for RMT members who had salaries under £35,000 for year 2022/23.



The proposals set out by the DfT are a significant improvement on what had previously been suggested by the Rail Delivery Group. The proposal would apply to all companies and is unconditional. Additionally, it is not connected to the previous workforce reform strategies that were being pursued by the Rail Delivery Group over the course of our industrial dispute.



There will be further discussions on industry-wide issues such as utilising new modern learning techniques & methods of training, with customer service training as a core skill (incorporating ticketing, accessibility, and information). Additionally, embedding the use of current and future technologies enabling new methods of working, and optimising resource planning and utilisation.



Separately, a meeting will be convened within the next six months to discuss staff travel arrangements.



Where TOCs have tabled productivity proposals previously, these talks are expected continue locally under the respective TOC collective bargaining arrangements.



The pay proposals are not dependent on the outcome of these discussions.



Your Union's National Executive Committee has considered the proposals from the DfT and has acknowledged that the offer has been made in good faith and represents a reasonable set of proposals that defends jobs, pay, conditions and pensions. Therefore, once a full set of proposals have been received from the DfT, the Union's NEC has instructed me to hold an e-referendum of you and your colleagues to have your say on the above proposals.



Acceptance of the proposals in the e-referendum would result in confirmation letters from the TOCs being lodged with your union. We would then advise each Train Operating Company, who would confirm the settlement via the collective bargaining structure, concluding the dispute and our campaign successfully.



I will write to members again following receipt of the full proposals from the DfT.

Yours sincerely,

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Michael Lynch
General Secretary"

In Mick we trust. Wonder what the reference to travel facilities is about though ?
 

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The full email from RMT.


In Mick we trust. Wonder what the reference to travel facilities is about though ?
Maybe free travel on all TOCs when those lazy railway staff dare to take a day off... That, coupled with this good news would make a good few commentators on here heads explode!
 

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Maybe free travel on all TOCs when those lazy railway staff dare to take a day off... That, coupled with this good news would make a good few commentators on here heads explode!
As it comes after the bit about new tech and working practices that they want to discuss - I read it as in they want to discuss changing the staff travel arrangements. Not additional staff travel arrangements/benefits

However with GBR what you say above must be a given if everything’s brought under the same umbrella.
 

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If it’s any thing like the aslef off, it’s about enhancing staff travel not degrading it.
 

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Enhancing staff travel must surely be a bit of a “no brainer” moral booster (or alternatively a bargaining chip) .

Yes, I expect they'll be dangling either the chance to keep privileges after retirement (as per BR) or maybe boxes for travel nationwide, as a means of enticing people to accept some changes to pay and conditions in the future in lieu of big pay rises.
 

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Or even just free travel; after all in real terms it costs the price of a plastic pass!
 

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Possibly even brining commuting into a spouses entitlement could be worthwhile, think how much that could save some households
 

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Yes, I expect they'll be dangling either the chance to keep privileges after retirement (as per BR) or maybe boxes for travel nationwide, as a means of enticing people to accept some changes to pay and conditions in the future in lieu of big pay rises.

This was proposed by ASLEF many years ago and nothing ever came of it. I'd be surprised if RMT have any more success.
 

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This was proposed by ASLEF many years ago and nothing ever came of it. I'd be surprised if RMT have any more success.

But now* it's GB Rail it could be different.

* the process has started at least.
 

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Going back to BR, passes were valid nationwide so if under " nationalised " conditions, why would it be localised ?? Everything should be standardised across whole network.
( that includes couplings } .
 

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Retired mate aged 70+ has EMR free travel only. Are people saying this cold be extended to national travel on GBR?
 

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Yes, I expect they'll be dangling either the chance to keep privileges after retirement (as per BR) or maybe boxes for travel nationwide, as a means of enticing people to accept some changes to pay and conditions in the future in lieu of big pay rises.
I would willingly forego any pay rise if I was able to keep priv travel after retirement!
 

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This was proposed by ASLEF many years ago and nothing ever came of it. I'd be surprised if RMT have any more success.
ASLEF are also involved in the same talks as are other unions. They will commence once The Passenger Railway Services bill has passed through parliament and will involve discussing staff travel facilities for those TOCs in public ownership. (Obviously this is expected to grow as franchises end).
 

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Tbh I'd personally prefer to have the option to take someone else as a priv+1 a few times a year than have free network wide travel myself, or have a few free day rovers to give to friends/family to visit me.
 

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Going back to BR, passes were valid nationwide so if under " nationalised " conditions, why would it be localised ?? Everything should be standardised across whole network.
( that includes couplings } .
Depending on grade of course. I wouldn't mind getting my hands on a network status pass in lieu of a payrise, but I'd need to be a fair bit higher up the ladder. Plebs like me would be on boxes which would be a worse deal than the free travel on my TOC that I currently get!
 
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