RMT Talks

[GRALISTAIR]

I would willingly forego any pay rise if I was able to keep priv travel after retirement!

I would willingly forego any pay rise if I was able to keep priv travel after retirement!

Wow, I am out of touch. I thought this was already the case. My grand mother had priv travel because of my grand father.

 

[ValentaFan1974]

These things of course are subjective. Myself personally would quite happily give up my priv if they offered me a larger pay increase. In the 6 years I’ve been on the railway I’ve used my priv twice and saved a whole £20. It’s a benefit I just don’t use and I’d rather have extra pay per month in lieu of it.

 

[GPR]

These things of course are subjective. Myself personally would quite happily give up my priv if they offered me a larger pay increase. In the 6 years I’ve been on the railway I’ve used my priv twice and saved a whole £20. It’s a benefit I just don’t use and I’d rather have extra pay per month in lieu of it.

+1.
It would work well for people soon to retire but not anybody else.

 

[dk1]

Yes

Wow, I am out of touch. I thought this was already the case. My grand mother had priv travel because of my grand father.

Yes I am one of the lucky ones who as long as I keep my nose clean and leave under the two R's then it's free and priv travel for the rest of my life.

 

[Kipperthecat]

RMT members accepted a deal that required the second year to be negotiated with the TOCS for the 4% as I recall. None of the RMT members down my way have had the 4% for 23/24 only the 5% for 22/23. So RMT will definitely be looking for a 24/25 settlement but suspect it has proven tricky to go back on a previous agreement and seek a better deal. Might be what is holding an RMT offer up.

I dont think that is quite what is being said , what is being said at NR is that they are awaiting a new mandate from the government to make a better pay offer than the one that was previously rejected . And that this is similar to the situation at the TOC's .

So TOC staff have had a 0.75% increase on top of the 4% they had previously accepted for 23/24 ?

NR staff have already received the 23/24 increase, so presumably they will be offered 4.5% for 24/25 ?

In addition, the workforce changes are postponed (unlike the modernising maintenance at NR).

Are the RMT trying to revisit the previously agreed deal for NR staff to align with the TOC / ASLEF deals ?

 

[scrapy]

So TOC staff have had a 0.75% increase on top of the 4% they had previously accepted for 23/24 ?

NR staff have already received the 23/24 increase, so presumably they will be offered 4.5% for 24/25 ?

In addition, the workforce changes are postponed (unlike the modernising maintenance at NR).

Are the RMT trying to revisit the previously agreed deal for NR staff to align with the TOC / ASLEF deals ?

No the deal was only ever 5% or £1750 (whatevers greater) for 22/23.

The 4% was part of a previous strings attached offer that was rejected. 23/24 is still to be settled (although looks likely to be with this offer).

 

[demigod19]

So will the pay rise happen for both 23/24 & 24/25 for NR staff ?

 

[kw12]

No the deal was only ever 5% or £1750 (whatevers greater) for 22/23.

The 4% was part of a previous strings attached offer that was rejected. 23/24 is still to be settled (although looks likely to be with this offer).

The deal that was accepted last year was a two year deal, 5% for 22/23 and 4% for 23/24.

See, for example:

RMT members at Network Rail vote to accept pay deal

Rail workers have voted on a revised pay offer, ending walkouts for some RMT strikers.

www.bbc.co.uk

The deal comes after Network Rail amended its previously rejected offer of a 5% pay rise for 2022 and a 4% increase this year.

The government did not put any more money on the table, but the tweaked proposals backdated this year's pay increase by three months, meaning workers end up with a bigger lump sum upfront.

The RMT - the country's biggest rail union - said the offer amounted to an uplift on salaries of between 14.4% for the lowest paid grades to 9.2% for the highest paid.

 

[muz379]

Are the RMT trying to revisit the previously agreed deal for NR staff to align with the TOC / ASLEF deals ?

I doubt the unuion would get anywhere trying to reopen negotiations on a deal that was previously agreed . At least from what I can gather from the communications from the union there has been no intention to attempt to revisit previously agreed pay deals .

So will the pay rise happen for both 23/24 & 24/25 for NR staff ?

There was already a rise for 23/24 and it was 4%

So currently the pay claim is for 24/25 . Dont forget the NWR pay anniversary was shifted to Janurary .

 

[ValentaFan1974]

+1.
It would work well for people soon to retire but not anybody else.

If it changed so I’d keep facilities after retirement then maybe it would be different, but as it stands it’s a colossal waste for me…

 

[janb]

The deal that was accepted last year was a two year deal, 5% for 22/23 and 4% for 23/24.

See, for example:

No, the link you offer refers to Network Rail staff. Scrapy was talking about the deal for TOC staff which was only for 22/23 (5% or £1750) and an agreement to talk about 23/24 and reforms on a TOC by TOC basis.

 

[ValentaFan1974]

Interesting that there doesn’t seem to be any underpin this time around….?

 

[KM1991]

Interesting that there doesn’t seem to be any underpin this time around….?

Yep, no minimum uplift is a horrible deal.

Some workers on 20k getting a 4.75% rise when inflation was over 10% last April. Was this really the best deal the negotiating team could get?

 

[CaptainHaddock]

Wow, I am out of touch. I thought this was already the case. My grand mother had priv travel because of my grand father.

All depends on when you joined the railway, I believe. Safeguarded staff who joined before privatisation keep their priv when they retire, those of us who only got priv travel last year as part of the last Network Rail pay deal lose all their facilities on leaving the company. That's why many of us value keeping priv travel on retirement far higher than an extra per cent on the next pay deal.

 

[GardenRail]

All depends on when you joined the railway, I believe. Safeguarded staff who joined before privatisation keep their priv when they retire, those of us who only got priv travel last year as part of the last Network Rail pay deal lose all their facilities on leaving the company. That's why many of us value keeping priv travel on retirement far higher than an extra per cent on the next pay deal.

I've got 20 more years to do, I want a pensionable pay increase every year, not reduced rate travel. Imagine foregoing pay rises, then die a week into retirement.

 

[scrapy]

Yep, no minimum uplift is a horrible deal.

Some workers on 20k getting a 4.75% rise when inflation was over 10% last April. Was this really the best deal the negotiating team could get?

Are any TOC workers on 20k for a full time contract?

 

[Towers]

Are any TOC workers on 20k for a full time contract?

I very much doubt it/hope not!

 

[SCDR_WMR]

Are any TOC workers on 20k for a full time contract?

Yes, certainly 'Train Presentation' and CET Staff are around £22-23k.

 

[Hugo3000]

Yep, no minimum uplift is a horrible deal.

Some workers on 20k getting a 4.75% rise when inflation was over 10% last April. Was this really the best deal the negotiating team could get?

Who's on £20k??

Yes, certainly 'Train Presentation' and CET Staff are around £22-23k.

So the answer is no!

 

[KM1991]

Who's on £20k??

So the answer is no!

4.75% on 22k when inflation was over 10% last year is a terrible deal, sorry!

A minimum uplift should have been a must.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

A minimum uplift should have been a must.

I really do , after thinking about it a lot, that mini uplifts are a very fair way of helping the lower income people and in the end will be a great morale booster.

 

[Geeves]

So the email yesterday to all the grades specifically said the offer was for all grades except drivers how ever according to the TSSA that was incorrect and the deal for the RMT was purely for drivers in the union hence why it's the same deal as ASLEF. #shrugs

There hasn't been any communication from the RMT to its members today.

 

[winks]

U can’t keep doing a minimum underpin - unfortunately it leads to compression in the pay bands and that in itself causes problems.

As rail staff are classed as public sector workers now it won’t get much better in future years in terms of percentage increases.

 

[DMckduck]

So the email yesterday to all the grades specifically said the offer was for all grades except drivers how ever according to the TSSA that was incorrect and the deal for the RMT was purely for drivers in the union hence why it's the same deal as ASLEF. #shrugs

There hasn't been any communication from the RMT to its members today.

TOC drivers negotiations are done by ASLEF whether they represent them or not.

 

[ValentaFan1974]

You certainly CAN do an underpin to bring the raises up to date as it’s been dragging a year or two out of sync and inflation was much higher then. After we are all up to date, remove the underpin by all means as then inflation figures are relevant to the actual year you’re negotiating for….

 

[Towers]

So the email yesterday to all the grades specifically said the offer was for all grades except drivers how ever according to the TSSA that was incorrect and the deal for the RMT was purely for drivers in the union hence why it's the same deal as ASLEF. #shrugs

There hasn't been any communication from the RMT to its members today.

That makes very little sense; whilst some drivers are indeed RMT members their pay is negotiated by Aslef as they represent the overwhelming majority, and staff are not paid differently according to their union membership - drivers with RMT membership receive whatever paydeal Aslef negotiates for the driving grade at their particular TOC. The wording of the RMT communication shared earlier in the thread was very clear that it was all grades, so unless there has been an almighty communication issue between the RMT and DfT negotiation teams it would seem that TSSA have got their wires crossed somewhere.

Over to the RMT!

 

[ValentaFan1974]

Beginning of last email sent - this was the header:

TO ALL RMT MEMBERS (EXCLUDING DRIVERS) AT TRAIN OPERATING COMPANIES

I think that clears it up.

 

[dk1]

Beginning of last email sent - this was the header:

TO ALL RMT MEMBERS (EXCLUDING DRIVERS) AT TRAIN OPERATING COMPANIES

I think that clears it up.

I think that clears things up nicely

 

[Marcel7179]

When can we expect to get the money ? September or October pay ?
I need to buy new flip flops.

 

[Amnesiac]

When can we expect to get the money ? September or October pay ?
I need to buy new flip flops.

If it goes to ballot shortly I'd expect either Oct/Nov should it be accepted (I'd be surprised if it wasn't)