RMT suspends strike action

[Legzr1]

No answers - most suprising!

 

[Solent&Wessex]

The statement on the First TPE site says that no agreement was made and the talks were to resume again.....unless I have read it wrongly.

Correct. Both sides met today and agreed to reconvene talks. As a result the strike has been called off to allow further talks.

 

[Whistler40145]

Will ACAS be involved, or is the situation not yet serious enough?

 

[9K43]

Blimey, was that decision expected or have FTPE crumbled under pressure?

I Do not have much time for ASLEF, and even less time for the higher management of TOC's and FOC's.
ASLEF will always come out on top of any company they work for.
By striking, they stop the job, even Thatcher could not accomplish that.
The can do this as we all know this as you cannot wave a magic wand and get fully qualified, trained drivers out of a bag.
ASLEF have total power to shut the system down, as they all stick together.
If TPE want big profits they have no choice but to give in to the requests of their drivers
TPE managers have been shown they are not quite in charge of the company as they think.
You mess with ASLEF at your peril.

As the song goes " Thats life."

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

ASLEF have total power to shut the system down, as they all stick together.

You mess with ASLEF at your peril.

If what you say above is true, why did they state that they were to hold a 2-day strike as a mark of the strength of feeling amongst their membership on the issue in question, which really would have pressed home the point that they were making to First TPE management, then seem to back down from this position after only one day's action, which does not tally with the original strike decision.

It is stated that no increased offer had been made after the first days strike, so surely the second days strike should have been allowed to take place, in order that the union leadership could be seen as acting in the best interest of their members to actually receive a better pay offer from First TPE.

 

[Greenback]

If what you say above is true, why did they state that they were to hold a 2-day strike as a mark of the strength of feeling amongst their membership on the issue in question, which really would have pressed home the point that they were making to First TPE management, then seem to back down from this position after only one day's action, which does not tally with the original strike decision.

It is stated that no increased offer had been made after the first days strike, so surely the second days strike should have been allowed to take place, in order that the union leadership could be seen as acting in the best interest of their members to actually receive a better pay offer from First TPE.

Usually, strikes are called off as a sign of good faith in new talks - the message is really that the talks had better be meaningful or we will be back to square one. As the union doesn't want cause disruption, and the members lose money, unnecessarily, if there is a prospect of a settlement, it's the right thing to do.

Management often waits to see how well a strike is supported before they make any concessions. If it's not supported, they will wait for the industrial action to fizzle out. If it is, their minds will be more concentrated on preventing escalation.

Despite what some people seem to think, the purpose of a strike is not to incovenience customers, or to build a Marxist state, it is solely to move stalled negotiations along.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Just arrived home after a meeting. My wife tells me she heard that the ASLEF drivers have been offered 5% and this is being put to a ballot...but she says that she cannot remember where she heard this.

Can someone clarify this, please.

 

[CarterUSM]

It will not strictly be ASLE&F drivers, but all drivers, some may be in another union. ASLE&F do have the lion's share of driver membership of course.

 

[notadriver]

Just arrived home after a meeting. My wife tells me she heard that the ASLEF drivers have been offered 5% and this is being put to a ballot...but she says that she cannot remember where she heard this.

Can someone clarify this, please.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14680185

Do you think management should have held out since as many have mentioned, train driving isn't highly skilled and they are already very well paid?

 

[Whistler40145]

I don't work on the Railways, but a Train Driver has a lot of responsibility to deal with, requiring alertness & good sight, so it is a skilled job.

 

[ANorthernGuard]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14680185

Do you think management should have held out since as many have mentioned, train driving isn't highly skilled and they are already very well paid?

of course it isn't *cough

To be honest if it was so easy why do so many fail not only the interviews, but the psychometric and medicals?

and why do we always end up with the same old codswallop?

 

[CosherB]

Not codswallop, ANG. That's why we always end up back at it. You can confuse some of the people some of the time with meaningless bull about psychometric failures and massive responsibility, but the truth will out in the end.

The ludicrous salaries paid to drive a train compared to what most folk in responsible positions get paid are the product of a temprary situation brought about by the TOCs themselves. They won't live with it for ever.

 

[175001]

train driving isn't highly skilled a

My word, what a statement.

Right tomorrow we'll give you control of a 125mph Pendolino, in foggy, and damp conditions, with leaf fall mulsh everywhere whilst we ask you to name all the signals, junctions, shunts, braking points, rules, regulations, protection.....I could go on.....so good luck with that.

:roll::roll::roll:

 

[Legzr1]

My word, what a statement.

Right tomorrow we'll give you control of a 125mph Pendolino, in foggy, and damp conditions, with leaf fall mulsh everywhere whilst we ask you to name all the signals, junctions, shunts, braking points, rules, regulations, protection.....I could go on.....so good luck with that.

:roll::roll::roll:

I think Sir missed the humour

Not codswallop, ANG.

Wrong.

 

[Minilad]

My word, what a statement.

Right tomorrow we'll give you control of a 125mph Pendolino, in foggy, and damp conditions, with leaf fall mulsh everywhere whilst we ask you to name all the signals, junctions, shunts, braking points, rules, regulations, protection.....I could go on.....so good luck with that.

:roll::roll::roll:

Thats easy. Just put it on Autopilot like all the poor under paid Airline Captains do

 

[ANorthernGuard]

Not codswallop, ANG. That's why we always end up back at it. You can confuse some of the people some of the time with meaningless bull about psychometric failures and massive responsibility, but the truth will out in the end.

The ludicrous salaries paid to drive a train compared to what most folk in responsible positions get paid are the product of a temprary situation brought about by the TOCs themselves. They won't live with it for ever.

The Truth??? you can't handle the truth

anyway has anyone got anything relatively constructive to add except the usual CS comedy show?

For a start Psychometric tests are not meaningless (unless you have failed them) also if they were companies would not use them (unless you CS are so much more qualified to judge! which i seriously doubt)

unless you can drive a train you have no idea how hard it is so there goes your other argument.

I can't fly a plane but I have respect for those that do, you have no respect for alot of people which is more than evident in your posts

 

[175001]

Thats easy. Just put it on Autopilot like all the poor under paid Airline Captains do

Even farmers have autopilot these days too

 

[notadriver]

My word, what a statement.

Right tomorrow we'll give you control of a 125mph Pendolino, in foggy, and damp conditions, with leaf fall mulsh everywhere whilst we ask you to name all the signals, junctions, shunts, braking points, rules, regulations, protection.....I could go on.....so good luck with that.

:roll::roll::roll:

Sorry my original comment 'not highly skilled' was directed at CS and others who believe the salary is undeserved.

 

[185]

Oh course the highest wage should go to the guard, who is in charge of the train



*runs for the door*

 

[Whistler40145]

185, if you didn't have a Driver the Guard wouldn't have a job.

 

[CarterUSM]

Don't start this pash again. Drivers rule, guards drool, we get it!

 

[ANorthernGuard]

185, if you didn't have a Driver the Guard wouldn't have a job.

and without a guard the TOC would have no money to pay the driver (even after subsidies) (atleast North of London)
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---

Oh course the highest wage should go to the guard, who is in charge of the train



*runs for the door*

shhh don't quote the rule book lol

 

[Whistler40145]

Well the Guard can't drive the train!

 

[notadriver]

Oh course the highest wage should go to the guard, who is in charge of the train



*runs for the door*

*hands 185 his coat on the way out*

 

[185]

I'm all for COO. It's a bit similar to DOO.

But knowing FirstGroup, they'd try use the passengers...

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POO

 

[ANorthernGuard]

I'm all for COO. It's a bit similar to DOO.

But knowing FirstGroup, they'd try use the passengers...

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POO

now now 185 hehe thats abit s**t of you to say such a thing hehe

if it became POO would they really blame themselves?

 

[Whistler40145]

Doesn't matter what 185 says, you will never get rid of Drivers. If we did, then our Railways would be in a mess!

 

[ANorthernGuard]

as they trialled driverless trains in the 80s the ideas for the tech has always been there so Trains will not always have drivers just as they won't always have guards, however there will always be "someone" of authority on a train
it will happen, but it will take quite a few decades to achieve it

 

[northwichcat]

The Great Orme Tramway has run without drivers in the trams for over a hundred years. However, it has people who appear to be drivers on the trams to report back to the engineer-driver in the control room with the engineer-driver in the control room actually being the person who has control of all the trams in operation.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Well the Guard can't drive the train!

And the driver can't guard the train.

The driver and the guard are a team. One isn't "better" than the other, they just do different things. It's like trying to compare a brain surgeon to a CV surgeon. Both do very complex operations, but in different areas.