Railway General Knowledge.

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Brougham Castle was a family home of that lineage, which takes me on to Brougham parish, in which was situated Cliburn railway station on the line of the former Eden Valley Railway

 

[Welshman]

Brougham Castle did indeed belong to the Clifford Family, but, as you say, there was no station at Brougham. Neither is there any obvious connection in name between that place and a now-closed station.

Think of another Clifford home, where the link is clear.

Clue - try the eastern side of the country.

 

[Calthrop]

I'll take a punt with Castle Howard, York - Scarborough line.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I'll take a punt with Castle Howard, York - Scarborough line.

Just a small query on the above. The clue given made reference to the Earls of Cumberland, but was not Castle Howard the residence of the Earls of Carlisle, prior to the Duke of Norfolk taking over the property?

 

[Calthrop]

Mea culpa, I think -- I'm not well-up on the English aristocracy, and just have a vague feeling that they can be very inconsistent geography-wise. Doing some hasty Googling very tired and late at night, I thought I'd come upon a Clifford-Earls-of-Cumberland / Castle Howard connection; but looking again the following morning, it appears that there's no such thing -- I imagined it.

 

[Welshman]

Mea culpa, I think -- I'm not well-up on the English aristocracy, and just have a vague feeling that they can be very inconsistent geography-wise. Doing some hasty Googling very tired and late at night, I thought I'd come upon a Clifford-Earls-of-Cumberland / Castle Howard connection; but looking again the following morning, it appears that there's no such thing -- I imagined it.

Sorry - you are wrong, as you acknowledge and Paul has intimated. Wrong family!

However, you are in the right part of the country.

Hopefully, to give more clarification, I will add that the station in question does not have to actually serve the locality of the family concerned - simply be connected in some way with it.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Hopefully, to give more clarification, I will add that the station in question does not have to actually serve the locality of the family concerned - simply be connected in some way with it.

Another "stab in the dark" now sees me name the closed station of Ormside and the relationship to that area of family relation progenitor members of the Clifford family being that of Lady Anne Clifford, Countess of Cumberland who held the hereditary title of High Sherriff of Westmorland from 1653 to 1676.

Then I realised you said "eastern" area...

 

[backontrack]

Skipton?

 

[Welshman]

Neither are correct, I'm afraid.

As I'm going to be away for the rest of the day, I'll give the answer.

The Londesborough Estate near Pocklington was the family home of the Clifford Family in the 16th and early 17th centuries.

"Londesborough" shares its name with the village, a pub in Seamer, and the Londesborough Rd part of Scarborough.

Scarborough Londesborough Rd [the excursion station to supplement Central], was the answer I had in mind.

Well done to those who tried.

Open floor.

 

[backontrack]

Erm, there was a station at Londesborough Estate, as well as another that served the village.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Londesborough_Park_railway_station
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Londesborough_railway_station

 

[backontrack]

Anyway, here's a new question:

Which railway station in Wales has two letters missing from its Welsh name? Give the anglicised name, the correct billingual name, and the incorrect billingual name in your answer.

 

[Welshman]

Erm, there was a station at Londesborough Estate, as well as another that served the village.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Londesborough_Park_railway_station
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Londesborough_railway_station

Apologies all round.

 

[krus_aragon]

Anyway, here's a new question:

Which railway station in Wales has two letters missing from its Welsh name? Give the anglicised name, the correct billingual name, and the incorrect billingual name in your answer.

You've got me intrigued here. Do you mean that the Welsh name has two letters fewer than the English name of the station, or that the Welsh name given to the station is two letters off when compared to the name of the adjoining town/area?

 

[backontrack]

I mean that the billingual version of the name on the station nameboards is actually incorrect, and that it should have two more letters - the correct Welsh spelling has these two letters. A bit like if Portsmouth was spelt 'Potsmoth'; two letters are missing in the Welsh spelling.

Basically, the billingual name has been spelt wrong. Which station is it, what's the wrong spelling, and what's the correct spelling?

 

[krus_aragon]

So it's two missing letters, not merely different letters. Interesting...

Placename spelling in Wales has a potted history, as railway companies (often from England) would spell a place name in the way they thought correct, and this spelling, being seen on a regular basis, would gain some traction in the local area (e.g. Carnarvon, Conway, Llanelly). But the vast majority of these have been re-Cambricised in the past century, and it's generally a case of changed letters, not missing ones.

I can think of two examples that almost meet your specification.

At Abergele & Pensarn, one spelling is used for both languages. The Welsh for 'and' ('a') triggers a mutation in the following word, so the Welsh should read 'Abergele a Phensarn' (but the 'a' wasn't really missing).

Flint station has a rather nice compromise between spellings. In Welsh, the town is known as 'Y Fflint' (lit. The Flint), but the station signs split the difference and just read Fflint. (One letter too many for the English, one too few for the Welsh.)

 

[backontrack]

Nope, not these. The fault is with the billingual spelling; it misses two letters.

 

[krus_aragon]

Nope, not these. The fault is with the billingual spelling; it misses two letters.

And the fault is only on the station signs? As opposed to, say, timetables and maps?

 

[backontrack]

I don't know.

 

[krus_aragon]

I don't know.

Let me rephrase the question. Does the spelling mistake extend to ATW's timetables as well? (I assume, being a station with a Welsh name, that ATW serve it!)

 

[backontrack]

I don't know.

I'll check on a timetable pdf.
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Aha.

On the signs, two letters are missing.
On the timetable, one letter is missing.

 

[krus_aragon]

I don't know.

I'll check on a timetable pdf.
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Aha.

On the signs, two letters are missing.
On the timetable, one letter is missing.

Thanks.

*Goes to put thinking cap on*

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Would I be right in thinking that you would have to have actually physically seen the station sign in question in order to be able to answer this conundrum?

 

[backontrack]

Not necessarily, though that does help.

 

[krus_aragon]

I've resorted to leafing through Arriva's timetables, and while I can see some examples of debatable spelling or punctuation, I haven't noticed any that would fit the question set.

It's a pass from me.

 

[backontrack]

In that case, another clue:

It's on the Conwy Valley Line.

 

[Whistler40145]

I'm going to guess Glan Conwy.

It was originally named Llansaintffraid, then renamed Glan Conway and then to the current name of Glan Conwy.

 

[backontrack]

Nope.

 

[Whistler40145]

Oh well, nice try
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One last go, it's Blaenau Ffestiniog, which was at one time named Blaenau Festiniog?

 

[backontrack]

Nope.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Roman Bridge

Correct Welsh spelling...Pont Rufeinig

Station board spelling...Pont Rufenig