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[Beaker]

The art is answering the questions you want to.

 

[Bayum]

Yes - but i've asked Yorkie a question... Twice now... And he refuses to answer, but expects everyone to give their opinions on something. When I ask for his opinion - I get zilch!! Nada!! Nothing!!

 

[richa2002]

When its not ridiculous in the first place, a lot more...

...a lot more?

Please don't say that you think the fact someone was travelling to Berlin by train instead of air is reason to be stopped?
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Yes - but i've asked Yorkie a question... Twice now... And he refuses to answer, but expects everyone to give their opinions on something. When I ask for his opinion - I get zilch!! Nada!! Nothing!!

He doesn't have to propose a solution, maybe there isn't one, he's just commenting on one that he thinks is wrong.

Or maybe he's simply just been doing something today so hasn't seen this thread.

 

[Beaker]

He replied to various posts after the question was posed by 6rdfar90. Or is time travel the new way to stop crime ?

 

[class 313]

...a lot more?
Please don't say that you think the fact someone was travelling to Berlin by train instead of air is reason to be stopped?

I'm saying it can get a lot more ridiculous as the whole idea isn't that ridiculous.

 

[Bayum]

Maybe he's just worried what they would find on him if they did randomly search him =P

 

[richa2002]

Ah okay, in your opinion of course.

 

[Beaker]

Surely everybody's views are just the persons opinion

 

[class 313]

Ah okay, in your opinion of course.

Which other people share of course.

I guess the main thing is that its happening
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Surely everybody's views are just the persons opinion

this is true.

 

[Craig]

Maybe he's just worried what they would find on him if they did randomly search him =P

Maybe he's worried that he could be detained for 9 hours for carrying some completely innocent items.

 

[Beaker]

So everday since the act came in, you're always worried about being detained for 9hrs?

 

[class 313]

Maybe he's worried that he could be detained for 9 hours for carrying some completely innocent items.

Have you been detained for 9 hours?

 

[richa2002]

Which other people share of course.

I guess the main thing is that its happening

I hardly regard this forum as a hub of intelligent opinion though 8).

 

[yorkie]

It's also ridiculous a question not being answered... When you answer questions for the same person time and time again to argue back at him!!

That's rich coming from you of all people, you consistently ignore questions, have not provided any factual evidence yourself and have made several statements that simply don't make any sense, confusing random searches with searches conducted on people under suspicion.

He replied to various posts after the question was posed by 6rdfar90. Or is time travel the new way to stop crime ?

You, too, have avoided awkward questions.

I guess the main thing is that its happening
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What is happening? A lot of things are happening, that doesn't make them right.

Yorkie - my question still stands.

What do you mean by "the method used"? Are you saying only one method is used? I do not like random stop and searches that are conducted purely at random with no actual grounds and the statistics prove that they are ineffective. Several of us have already stated that the police time could be better used doing other things, and Beaker even provided evidence that searching people in high-crime areas yields far better results. As for how to combat terrorism, it is obvious that police should act on intelligence, as they currently do. Random stop and searches did not prevent the terrorist attacks in 2005, and they were not randomly stopped and searched. Perhaps if less police time had been wasted harrassing innocent people randomly and instead more effort was put into getting intelligence on real terrorists they would have stopped them?

 

[class 313]

What is happening? A lot of things are happening, that doesn't make them right.

Stop and Search is happening if you like it or not. Some may say, 'get over it'

And as some others say 'its life'. 'life isn't fair'

 

[Craig]

That's not what I said.

It was insinuated that those of us complaining had something to hide. This isn't true (in my case at least), but that doesn't stop people from being detained for several hours for no real reason.

 

[Bayum]

So - your telling me. That to arrest someone on suspicion of terrorism, you would rather they have Full Blown proof that they are a terrorist, or they are about to mug someone, before the police do anything??

 

[yorkie]

So everday since the act came in, you're always worried about being detained for 9hrs?

What an odd question. Are you suggesting that something that you don't worry about every day is not an issue? There are many things worth worrying about that one would hardly think about every day.

 

[Craig]

So - your telling me. That to arrest someone on suspicion of terrorism, you would rather they have Full Blown proof that they are a terrorist, or they are about to mug someone, before the police do anything??

Some evidence/intelligence would be nice rather than stopping people just of the off chance that they might be a terrorist.

 

[richa2002]

Stop and Search is happening if you like it or not. Some may say, 'get over it'

I'm sure Yorkie or I will not just 'get over it' because it's something we strongly believe in and we're not happy to accept that hundreds of years of freedoms are being eroded.

Just because something is happening doesn't mean debate should stop about it.

 

[yorkie]

So - your telling me. That to arrest someone on suspicion of terrorism, you would rather they have Full Blown proof that they are a terrorist, or they are about to mug someone, before the police do anything??

Is that aimed at Craig or me? Neither of us has said such a thing, and this is the first time arrests have been mentioned since page 6, and we are now on page 10, so I don't know where you are getting it from. You have not provided a quote so I can't see what you are responding to. Have you made it up by any chance?

As for mugging, what's that got to do with terrorism?

The only connection I can think of is that the police have spent many thousands of hours harrassing innocent people at places like major termini while police patrols of residential areas have been on the decline. Obviously if police patrolled areas more regularly there would be less muggings. So your idea that random searches prevent muggings is not only flawed but the complete opposite of reality.

 

[class 313]

Some evidence/intelligence would be nice rather than stopping people just of the off chance that they might be a terrorist.

Yes but we all know how wrong it can be.

As said before, 20 mins of time is a lot better than being dead. Ask the family of the Brazilian if they would of proffered their son to be stopped and searched instead of shot.
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I'm sure Yorkie or I will not just 'get over it' because it's something we strongly believe in and we're not happy to accept that hundreds of years of freedoms are being eroded.

Just because something is happening doesn't mean debate should stop about it.

Life isn't fair like you kept telling me last night. You can be unhappy all you like. Fact is its happening and there isn't much you can do about it.

 

[yorkie]

Just because something is happening doesn't mean debate should stop about it.

Exactly. There are many unjust things "happening" in the world today. If Loader things it is such a small deal, why is he posting so much on the subject? The answer is obvious: he feels strongly in favour over it. So he should accept that some of us feel strongly opposed to it.

 

[class 313]

As for mugging, what's that got to do with terrorism?

Mugging causes terror throughout society does it not.

 

[Bayum]

As for how to combat terrorism, it is obvious that police should act on intelligence, as they currently do.QUOTE]

Based on that - is what I said.

If the police don't have enough intelligence then, should they not arrest them or whatever?? Or let them get on with what they want to do because they don't have enough evidence/intelligence??

And muggings have to do with the whole thing as well, because - it doesn't just happen at stations and things. It happens in city centres, shopping centres as well.

 

[class 313]

Exactly. There are many unjust things "happening" in the world today. If Loader things it is such a small deal, why is he posting so much on the subject? The answer is obvious: he feels strongly in favour over it. So he should accept that some of us feel strongly opposed to it.

Because you're posting in a way like you can do something about it.

 

[Bayum]

Mugging causes terror throughout society does it not.

Exactly - and the stop searches pointed out by Beaker in that article you liked so much Yorkie - may have stopped potential muggings or stabbings

 

[richa2002]

Life isn't fair like you kept telling me last night. You can be unhappy all you like. Fact is its happening and there isn't much you can do about it.

I was saying life isn't fair in the context of you saying that if a company fails they should be compensated by the government.
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Exactly - and the stop searches pointed out by Beaker in that article you liked so much Yorkie - may have stopped potential muggings or stabbings

Yorkie doesn't deny this, in fact I think he supports stop and searches in high-crime areas so you're arguing against with something he actually supports...

 

[class 313]

I was saying life isn't fair in the context of you saying that if a company fails they should be compensated by the government.

And if you get searched, you get searched.
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I was saying life isn't fair in the context of you saying that if a company fails they should be compensated by the government.
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Yorkie doesn't deny this, in fact I think he supports stop and searches in high-crime areas so you're arguing against with something he actually supports...

A station can be a high-crime area.

 

[yorkie]

Yes but we all know how wrong it can be.

As said before, 20 mins of time is a lot better than being dead. Ask the family of the Brazilian if they would of proffered their son to be stopped and searched instead of shot.

That has to go down as one of the daftest posts I've read.

"20 mins of time is a lot better than being dead" so you are saying they should have searched him for 20 minutes rather than shooting him? Well, quite obviously, YES I agree there!

But this was NOT a random search and they had wrong intelligence and they acted on that. That is not the same thing as a random stop and search. It's a seperate issue.

It's also not a reason (as you suggested earlier) that random stop and searches should replace intelligence. That would quite simply be totally daft.

Intelligence can be wrong as we have seen, and we have to accept that, but it is far better to conduct searches as a result of intelligence than to do so randomly. Obviously shooting people first is not acceptable either.
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Mugging causes terror throughout society does it not.

Are you saying muggings should be re-categorised as terrorism?