Prepare to be searched...

[yorkie]

http://politics.phreadz.com/p/15ROH206TI2T/

Can happen to any of us, at any time. Our crime is to use rail as a form of transport apparently.

What a country we live in, eh? :roll:

 

[RJ]

It's nothing new, they did it to me when I was 14.

 

[Beaker]

If you are innocent I don't see the problem.

 

[Mojo]

Being accused of a crime that you are not involved in is more psychologically damaging than being accused of one you have.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/may/24/highereducation.uk

 

[Beaker]

But no matter what newspaper it is, he isn't going to say '' Well it was lovely actually, they brought biscuits at regular intervals.....'' because that doesn't sell....

 

[Mojo]

One of the thing that the terrorists want to achieve is to have the world live under their way of life where freedoms are curtailed. They want to change our way our life and they seem to be succeeding by the way Labour are giving the Police powers to stop & search for no reason, detain people for however many days without charge and seize our property. It's effect is limited and is making little difference.

Just like everything else, if some people don't abide by the law, instead of leading into intelligence-led "common sense" policing, they bring in new laws which effect everyone.

 

[Beaker]

As far as I'm aware I don't live like a terrorist and never had an urge to strap a bomb to myself and blow me and several other innocent people up.

 

[nath9425]

You have to be joking me...

Some of the most ridiculous points ever!
- "If your carrying a map with targets on it sir, this is an act of terrorism" So tell me this - What if you have a Sat Nav on you with "Points of Interest" on it. As my dad does, it listens to the police and doesn't leave it in his car and carry's it on him at all times, but this could be used as a form of terrorism!!
- Something that made me laugh, "Can I see your I.D Please" - "I am in uniform sir" - What difference does that make !!!
- "Are you using GPS or something" - "I dunno what your on about sir" - So why does he have this fancy gadget!?!

The amount of time he stood there and searched my bag first, I could of detonated the bomb I had on myself, If I was a terrorists within seconds. Another major fault by the UK Police.

After the bloke radioed in about him being filmed
"Its not illegal for me to film you like this is it" "Not at all no!" - Thank You!!
"My date of birth is wrong" - This is how pathetic the police really can be in communication!

How politically correct has this country got...

I wanna be searched now and film them I would find that be quite fun. I would ask everything in my power for ID's etc

 

[RJ]

If you are innocent I don't see the problem.

The problem is, for those of us who actually have stuff going on in our lives and don't have time to waste with them, it's irritating. I don't get why the person being searched kept saying thank you, would have been easier if he just shut up.

 

[Beaker]

The problem is, for those of us who actually have stuff going on in our lives and don't have time to waste with them, it's irritating.

Ahhh personal insults....
I've been stopped in the matter of minutes it takes, I didn't find it a problem.

 

[RJ]

I have a more hectic lifestyle and wouldn't want to miss a connection or be late for work merely so they can reach their daily harassment targets.

 

[NSEFAN]

If you're being searched by the police it really is easier just to shut up and get on with it. I understand that he was annoyed at being searched, but he should have asked about where he could make an official complaint, rather than provoke the officers and wasting their time. This sort of thing hasn't happened to me yet, thankfully, but there's a first time for everything.

It is important to remember that they're not the ones who make the laws. I personally think that stopping and searching people at random would have little benefit. Some of the things that they officers said they had to look for did seem rather stupid. Any terrorist with more than two brain cells would be smart enough not to carry anything incriminating around!

However, if that is what their bosses have told them to look for, then they must obey orders. Otherwise they'd loose their jobs. Simple as. If anybody has a very strong objection to being searched, surely it is better to complain to the people in charge, rather than the individuals who have to search you?

 

[Beaker]

Wooo don't use logic, please.

 

[RJ]

Any terrorist with more than two brain cells would be smart enough not to carry anything incriminating around!

They usually don't have two brain cells to rub together - the smart ones get the dumb ones to blow themselves up.

 

[yorkie]

However, if that is what their bosses have told them to look for, then they must obey orders.

Sounds familiar. Nazi Germany was exactly like that.

BTW the BTP offiers could be wife-beating hooligans who lie in court and have been arrested 3 times and commit acts of violence, think I am making that up? See this. Do you think your personal details are safe with these people? Would you trust them?

 

[Bayum]

Happened to me a few times caught taking codeine...

Apparently, it's an illegal street substance as it's easy to turn into Morphine and Heroin as they are both derived from the Opium plant... Anyways - I was stopped and searched a few times, needed a few calls to Hospital and Doctors to prove my innocence...

Now I just carry around my Box with the prescription on the front

 

[Beaker]

Sounds familiar. Nazi Germany was exactly like that.

BTW the BTP offiers could be wife-beating hooligans who lie in court and have been arrested 3 times and commit acts of violence, think I am making that up? See this. Do you think your personal details are safe with these people? Would you trust them?

Yes, because you get no where if you trust nobody. Do you trust the details with every company you put your details into when you register for stuff and/or purchase stuff?

 

[yorkie]

If you are innocent I don't see the problem.

Is this a problem, Beaker?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...lenging-police-who-ignored-no-entry-sign.html

 

[Bill EWS]

Great Job there! All he has done is create a space for any Tom, Dick & Harry to add their ignorant penny's worth. Just as the media lump everything together to make things look even worse than they are. Add to and print it long and often enough and the ignorant, uneducated and the moronic start to believe it and spread it even farther. Isn't that how all conspiracy theories get started.

What is more worrying is the experience I had last week when leaving my home to go to the shops. Just about 50 yards from my front door there were two youngsters about 12-13 coming the other way. As I got closer it was obvious that neither were going to give way, so I stopped well short so that there was no possibility of contact. After a moment's pause the smaller lad suddenly said "You're frightenened of Me" to which I replied "Oh, Why should I be frightened of you, then? and he replied "Because it says so in the news. All you oldies are frightened of us".

Well, who says that the media, don't create these problems! That's a perfect example. Keep adding to the problem and it simply multiplies, even if it's not true. The ignorant and moronic will start to believe it.

I walked on past these two little morons but was surprised once again when the bigger lad shouted after me "What's your problem white man"?

Now if he had been a black person I could have some understanding of such a comment, as stupid as it was. But what on earth does that suppose to mean, coming from a white youngster! Something really strange going on there. This idiot is going to be able to vote one day.

If this is the weird World you young people are building for yourself all I can say is "God help you when you reach my age".

So, personally I don't think being stopped and searched in these times when it could save yours' or your family's lives is really not all that much of a problem. I experience it everytime I fly to the States, wher eI have had my fingerprints taken and my pupils scanned numerous times. Yes, some of it is over-reaction but isn't a little of that better than doing nothing and even more people getting killed and injured?

You really must be too young to remember the war if you think being searched during times of terrorist threat is anything like what happened under the nazi's! I don't think that had anything to do with possibly saving your life! More likely to ending it.

 

[yorkie]

So, personally I don't think being stopped and searched in these times when it could save yours' or your family's lives is really not all that much of a problem.

What evidence do you have that these actions save lives?

 

[NSEFAN]

Do you think your personal details are safe with these people? Would you trust them?

No, I wouldn't trust them. It is unlikely that the way they select people to search is truly random, so they must be looking for certain behaviour or luggage that you may be carrying. If they can't trust you in the first place, then it doesn't make it easy for you to trust them.

If they are looking through all of my stuff, though, I would be suprised if they could remember everything. They know what sorts of things to look for, but considering that they have to search quite a few people everyday, it would be a lot harder to remember everything that they've seen.

I work in a shop, and when our system asks me to collect customer details, I enter them. If they ask why, I explain the reasons. Sometimes, the system goes wrong and I have to re-enter the details. By then, most of them have already gone from my mind, even if I have tried my best to remember them. And by the end of the day, it is unlikely that I could remember an exact person, where they live, what their bank details are, etc.

Sounds familiar. Nazi Germany was exactly like that.

I know that the "I'm only doing my job" attitude is like that of Nazi Germany. There's still many countries that work in a similar way. And if we're heading for something of the like in this country, then we must stop it. I am not denying that.

But not everybody who is "just doing their job" is a bad person. I just felt that the fact that the guy in the video was deliberately provoking the BTP officer seemed quite childish: a better way to go about removing these unfair checks on the general public would be to initially get the check over and done with, then go and start a petition or demonstration or make a formal complaint; something that would make more of a difference in the long run.

Whether or not the officer deserves it, being rude to the other side just makes it all worse and unpleasant for everybody involved.

Sorry to rant like this.

 

[Beaker]

Is this a problem, Beaker?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...lenging-police-who-ignored-no-entry-sign.html

Thats a different situation isn't it, Yorkie ?
I'm on about walking a long a station and getting had by a random stop and examine, if your innocent you shouldn't be worried. Or shall we evade that point ? And in the video it is fairly apparent that the 'victim' had provoked/thought out the situation..

 

[yorkie]

In response to NSEFAN and Beaker..

1) How was he rude? I don't see how he was rude at all! Perhaps you can provide a quote?

2) How did the victim "provoke" the situation?

3) That's different, eh? Like taking a photo is a crime these days is it? This "If you are innocent you should not be worried" 'point' (which, by itself means absolutely nothing) keeps cropping up, but can you tell me what the person who took a photo of the police car going the wrong way was 'guilty' of? If he is not 'guilty' of anything, he is therefore 'innocent', yet he was arrested and locked up for several hours, so why should we not be worried?!

 

[Beaker]

In response to NSEFAN and Beaker..

1) How was he rude? I don't see how he was rude at all! Perhaps you can provide a quote?
see 2

2) How did the victim "provoke" the situation?

Because he has made a video of being searched under the act, and at the end he suggests that was his aim of the day. He will need to spend ages walking around otherwise to get searched :roll:

3) That's different, eh? Like taking a photo is a crime these days is it? This "If you are innocent you should not be worried" 'point' (which, by itself means absolutely nothing) keeps cropping up, but can you tell me what the person who took a photo of the police car going the wrong way was 'guilty' of? If he is not 'guilty' of anything, he is therefore 'innocent', yet he was arrested and locked up for several hours, so why should we not be worried?!
The police officers were wrong in that case, but i'm arguing about random stop and searches which I assume was the aim of your thread ? Oh yer sorry we live in Nazi Germany don't we....

 

[yorkie]

1) How is making a video "rude"?

2) How is making a video "provoking" the situation?

3) Do you honestly believe "random" searches are always entirely "random"? No, we do not live in Nazi Germany, but there are very concerning signs that we are slowly heading the same way in some respects.

 

[Beaker]

1) How is making a video "rude"?

Did I say it was ? Stop putting words in my mouth.


2) How is making a video "provoking" the situation?

Yes of course we see the whole of his day, before he gets searched... Not. He has clearly gone out to get searched and most likely had to coax the search upon himself, as he isn't going to waste time for it to happen in its natural course.

3) Do you honestly believe "random" searches are always entirely "random"? No, we do not live in Nazi Germany, but there are very concerning signs that we are slowly heading the same way in some respects.

Yes because mass genocide of millions is in the same league of harmless stop and searches isn't.... :roll:

 

[yorkie]

1) You said "see 2"

2) That is unfounded libel. What evidence do you have to back up your claim?

3) Read what I actually said!

By the way, please learn to quote properly.

 

[Mintona]

Blimey, what's so wrong with being searched? If they've been told they have to do it, let them get on with it. If you are late for a train, and you are running, I doubt they will stop you.
I have nothing to hide, so I couldn't care less if they searched me. Some of you are acting a bit suspiciously though, are you terrorists using a rail forum to glean information to plant your next bombs? Of do you just have to disagree with everything everyone except yourself does? :roll:

 

[Beaker]

1) You said "see 2"

2) That is unfounded libel. What evidence do you have to back up your claim?

3) Read what I actually said!

By the way, please learn to quote properly.

Ok i assume he provoked is that better?

And about this genocide business....

And I quoted how I wanted to, or is this illegal now ?

 

[Nym]

Well, I was asked for ID once, on my way home from work at manchester picc when I had to change from a Middlesbrugh to a Bolton train. Anyway...

I was on my way home from work and moving to the external designated smoking area for a fag before catching my bolton train. And then on my way back in was asked what I was doing and for photo ID by a PCSO. (NOTE: I work at an airport, and can never be bothered taking off my airside pass which has to be displayed (even on the stations)). Anyway, I pointed at it and he said he needed to see a driving licence or passport, to which I said (because I wanted an argument) that I'd like to see his warrant card. Which he showed me somthing that I didn't care about.

Then after asking why he'd stoped me and all he could come up with was for 'acting suspicously' and refusing to arest me:
"Am I under arest"
You'#ve been stoped
"Am I under arest"
Erm,, no
"I;m going then now bye.."

Then a proper copper accused me of terrorism, not seeing my airside permit, then I instructed him to call the security centre at Manchester Airport and inform them, as they'd want to know why an apron security cleared person was being accused of terrorism.

They left me alone then