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Passengers access intermediate cab via open door and take 'selfies'
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People have always moaned at young people for being less intelligent than their generation. You can find quotes from Ancient Greece that say pretty much the same things, about how modern technology and conveniences are making the youth of the day stupid. Given the number of older people who read the Daily Mail, I suspect there are just as many likely to do so in your generation as there are in ours
(The only reason there might not be is that people in your generation have had more time to kill themselves with their own stupidity. Not sure how much this would affect the figures, but I'd assume not much...)
PS, I'm actually a few years younger than him!
Do trains with emergency access into the cabs have alarms? I know that on Underground trains there are alarms that activate in the leading cab when any unattended cabs, or important panels, are opened, and I know that most NR trains do not have this feature.
So why did he feel the need to go in there instead of just closing the door?
That's why he is a muppet.
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Why would a terrorist have any interest in getting into a train cab?
There are more effective areas that are easier to access!
Dubious perhaps, but it's the way things are now.
We're living with a generation now of the opinion that without photo/video evidence something didn't happen.
Companies seem to increasingly believe they can deny anything happened, until you present photographic proof, and the most extreme example of having to now 'prove' everything is perhaps in the USA where police officers are now being prosecuted or sacked for the way they treat people, whereas beforehand they were always considered to be wholly innocent.
I can't see how we can ever turn back the clock now either. Even if a group of people saw something, without a photo or video it's now considered easy to just dismiss. No wonder more and more front line staff are going to have to be fitted out with cameras.
The media must love it. Before you got told about an incident and had to investigate it, speak to people on both sides and get some background. Now you just write some blurb, post the photos and video and open the article up for commenting - and sit back watching the page views rocket and your site getting shared globally as it goes viral.
Then the next day everyone forgets about it.
cjmillsnun
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You could trip breakers. But that said, the worst it would do is stop the train.
But if the door was "wide open", surely all we'd need is a photograph of the open door? He didn't need to go in there. He didn't need to sit in the driver's chair. He didn't need to take silly photographs with his girlfriend, and ridiculous selfies.
It's clearly more about attention seeking than it is about actually proving a point, although I don't deny that the point has been well made.
The main reason I think cabs need more secure locks is that they are a good hiding place being that they are not regularly checked when in multiple. Obviously the threat of something being hidden in the modern world of suicide bombers etc is not huge but still present.
But in the case here it's irrelevant as you don't really get opportunistic terrorists who would see an unlocked door and think "great opportunity to hide this bomb I've been carrying around for weeks now"!
Yes, a photo of the open door would have been just fine.
Tom B said:
Seen that twice on a Pendolino, Just before getting off at Wolverhampton, Just mentioned it to a member of train staff (First so one will the trollys) they tried to lock it and lock was bust.
Only other time, was the Mirror/Cabinet above the sink on a VT 221 toilet was swinging open, looked for the guard first (Well only 5 coaches so not much) when couldn't see. Just mentioned to the Shop staff member, who put out a PA call for the guard.
Can't say the Teacher was very sensible, but i imagine curiosity got the better off them sadly. Instead of just closing the door and reporting it, Whats that about Curiosity and cats
And, besides, surely they'll do more harm hiding it one of the many places in the passenger cabin where you can discretely place a bomb (luggage racks, under the seats, in the bins etc) than in the middle cab of the train. As has been said, they aren't going to wait for an unlocked door.
I'm a moron. Ignore that. (Although I'll happily leave it for people to laugh at my expense for years to come
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Dieseldriver
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Think you should read Adrivers post through again...
NorthernSpirit
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What a pair of idiots. What does this achieve? I'm no expert, but it's quite clear that no-one could have realistically done much in the cab. Yes, it should have been closed, but it's not going to make a huge difference to anything that it was open. He clearly knows that he should not have been in there, and yet he was. I'm in agreement with "furlong" and various other posters - charge them with trespass (although it clearly won't happen, as you'd have to fight the DM which isn't really worth the effort in this case).
And, FWIW, this has to be one of the worst selfies I've ever seen:
Unusually, I find myself agreeing with the commentards on the DM website:
It's quite sad that young people nowadays would probably call this "investigative journalism". :roll:
His bird does look fit though, I'll grant you that.
Nym
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I am wondering, why does the DRA appear to be active?
I wonder how easy it would be for a TOC to simply lay the blame on a cleaner?
Out of interest, assuming a cleaner did leave a door open, when a train is taken out and put into service by a driver - is it his/her responsibility to check ALL doors (in the case of multiple units joined up) are secured, or would it be easy to just find a nice easy scapegoat like a cleaner?
They do it deliberately on our TOC.
Not the responsibility of the Driver to check all doors for some types of stock on PB. It isn't on the list of things to check for.
Not all trains are PB and some are PC so only the front cab is checked.
DarloRich
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But not for publication purposes.
A picture of an open door is a CIRAS article the picture of someone inside the cab is a newspaper article. Added media bonus points for an attractive girlfriend involved!
exactly. they had no business being in that cab.
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They may have no business being there, and they don't, but the doors giving access should have been locked.
While there is nothing they could do that would endanger the safety of anyone, someone similar accessing the cab could cause a lot of disruption.
While there is nothing they could do that would endanger the safety of anyone, someone similar accessing the cab could cause a lot of disruption.
That's true. And so the actions of a reasonable person would be to close the door and, if possible, let someone know that it was open. Not take photos of themselves inside, send them to the papers and shout about the completely impossible chance of them crashing the train!
If this occurred early in the day it will be down to the train preparer to ensure the cab doors are secure after carrying out the prep of the cab, there are many scenarios for this for example,
did the driver relieve another driver at a station? If so it will not be the responsibility of the driver on the train at the time.
Was it the drivers job to prep the units? If not it is not the fault of the driver.
Was the door lock faulty?
Who left the door open?
Had the unit been attached by another driver?
This is a tricky scenario to place blame on anyone unless there is strong evidence and this will be seen on the units internal CCTV and only then one individual can be blamed for the door being left open.
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