Muslim Protestors Disrupt Two Minute Silence

[TrainBrain185]

Trainbrain185. You don't know the slightest think about Islam, nor probably any other religion. All you know is right wing propoganda, whether you've been fed it or came to it on your own. So please, do some research, get some evidence, then come back.

Yep, correct, I don't. Is Fox News of America propaganda? You assume yes. I read the news, listen to the news. If you think I am a sucker being taken in by so called propaganda, go ahead pal.....

"NEXT".....

 

[90019]

Good for you pal, I am pleased you had a good laugh.....then you may have well just have laughed in the faces of the victims of 9-11 and 7-7. Luckily your guffaws were cut short with the find of the devices on the Freight Flights a couple weeks ago huh?

I'm sorry, but you cannot class the actions of the small minority as a war, to do so and tar a whole religion with it is just ignorant and stupid.


By your logic, Ireland must be at war with Britain because of the IRA.

 

[TrainBrain185]

For someone who doesn't 'condone' the actions of the EDL you seem to do a very good job of trying apologising for them.

Of course their are some extremist rallies in the UK. But then this is a democracy. That means we have to put up with all sorts of nutters - we've had to tolerate the NF/BNP/EDL/Combat 18 for years - that's the downside of living in a democracy. IN comparison to the years of thuggery we've had to put up with from them a few people burning a paper poppy is nothing.

Do I? Sorry you think that way. Burning a Symbol of Remembrance is cuts to the quick with me though.

 

[90019]

Burning a Symbol of Remembrance is cuts to the quick with me though.

But burning a holy book is acceptable according to you?

 

[Snapper]

Good for you pal, I am pleased you had a good laugh.....then you may have well just have laughed in the faces of the victims of 9-11 and 7-7. Luckily your guffaws were cut short with the find of the devices on the Freight Flights a couple weeks ago huh?

Oh jeez......"NEXT"..........

Oh please, get off the rhetorical soapbox and engage your brain.
Extremists are extremists, it doesn't matter what they claim to stand for. The far right like the EDL would (and have attempted to) cause just as much carnage as the other side of the coin*. The only difference is that you condemn one and apologise for the other.

* many of us don't forget David Copeland, the far right nutter who set off bombs in London, or some of the others either.

 

[TrainBrain185]

I'm sorry, but you cannot class the actions of the small minority as a war, to do so and tar a whole religion with it is just ignorant and stupid.


By your logic, Ireland must be at war with Britain because of the IRA.

All the top Political Leaders in the Western World has described the actions of the small minorities as "The War on Terror". Not my quote.

 

[Snapper]

Do I? Sorry you think that way. Burning a Symbol of Remembrance is cuts to the quick with me though.

So, you're willing to declare 'jihad' on a religion on the basis of burning a bit of (symbolic) paper? Yet you claim to be better than them?

Our war dead must be turning in their graves...

 

[Deerfold]

All the top Political Leaders in the Western World has described the actions of the small minorities as "The War on Terror". Not my quote.

Quite. Not the "War on Islam"

 

[Snapper]

All the top Political Leaders in the Western World has described the actions of the small minorities as "The War on Terror". Not my quote.

No, they haven't. George W Bush coined the phrase. Most other political leader have been far too sensible to use it.

 

[90019]

All the top Political Leaders in the Western World has described the actions of the small minorities as "The War on Terror". Not my quote.

Americans use it to justify declaring war on Middle Eastern countries, which is far from the same thing.

 

[TrainBrain185]

Oh please, get off the rhetorical soapbox and engage your brain.
Extremists are extremists, it doesn't matter what they claim to stand for. The far right like the EDL would (and have attempted to) cause just as much carnage as the other side of the coin*. The only difference is that you condemn one and apologise for the other.

* many of us don't forget David Copeland, the far right nutter who set off bombs in London, or some of the others either.

For goodness sakes, take your blinkers off and get off this EDL soapbox pal. How many darned times do I have to say I do not condone the actions in any way of the EDL? Two wrongs don't make a right in my view. Now do you understand?? Savvy??? Has it sunk in??

 

[Snapper]

For goodness sakes, take your blinkers off and get off this EDL soapbox pal. How many darned times do I have to say I do not condone the actions in any way of the EDL? Two wrongs don't make a right in my view. Now do you understand?? Savvy??? Has it sunk in??

Its quite simple, Your words don't fit with your actions.

What is becoming clear is that you and the EDL are soulmates. You both spread anti-Muslim scare stories.

The EDL deny that they're linked with the BNP. Should we believe them? As the old saying goes - by their deeds shall ye know them...

 

[ralphchadkirk]

For goodness sakes, take your blinkers off and get off this EDL soapbox pal. How many darned times do I have to say I do not condone the actions in any way of the EDL? Two wrongs don't make a right in my view. Now do you understand?? Savvy??? Has it sunk in??

Yes, I do think Snapper is well informed, perceptive and shrewd.

 

[Deerfold]

The EDL deny that they're linked with the BNP. Should we believe them? As the old saying goes - by their deeds shall ye know them...

I think that's true - the EDL think the BNP have gone soft.

 

[TrainBrain185]

However, you take it out of context and use it instead to mean a war on Islam. Which is a long way from what the more educated ones who use it actually mean.

Your plucking at straws now mate. That again, is your view. Who has been involved in all the major atrocities of this passed decade then? Pinky and Perky? Its not ruddy rocket science to have to agree with the Western World leaders. Its too much in your face to to be taken to be taken out of context be it me, or any other average Joe in the street in their daily lives.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Your plucking at straws now mate. That again, is your view. Who has been involved in all the major atrocities of this passed decade then? Pinky and Perky? Its not ruddy rocket science to have to agree with the Western World leaders. Its too much in your face to to be taken to be taken out of context be it me, or any other average Joe in the street in their daily lives.

I thought the definition was good enough. It is the war on terror - i.e. those who cause terror in our cities, those who carry out terrorist attacks, those who threaten this countries safety. It is immaterial as to whether they are islamic, foreign, irish, catholic, protestant or far right. It is not a war on islam, foreigners, the irish, catholics or protestant, it is a war on the terrorists.

Understand?

 

[Snapper]

Your plucking at straws now mate. That again, is your view. Who has been involved in all the major atrocities of this passed decade then? Pinky and Perky? Its not ruddy rocket science to have to agree with the Western World leaders. Its too much in your face to to be taken to be taken out of context be it me, or any other average Joe in the street in their daily lives.

It depends on the atrocity.

Where would you like to start?

Yugoslavia?

Chechnya?

Rwanda?

Cambodia?

South Africa?

Or ones like:

ETA in Spain,

Rightwingers across Europe with train bombs (you're obviously too young to remember Bologna)

The IRA even?

The more I read in this thread the more I get the impression that you're quite young - which is often the province of the intolerant.

And, as I mentioned - it was George Bush who used the expression the 'War on Terror' , most other politicians cringed when he did and have never used the expression because they realised its stupidity.

 

[TrainBrain185]

Its quite simple, Your words don't fit with your actions.

What is becoming clear is that you and the EDL are soulmates. You both spread anti-Muslim scare stories.

The EDL deny that they're linked with the BNP. Should we believe them? As the old saying goes - by their deeds shall ye know them...

Oh, are we then. Well you know me better than I do huh? Thats rich for sure. I am amused with that one.
Riddle me this one dude. Am I actively involved with these people then? C'mon if your such a wise guy. Gimme an answer. Yes? No?
If you cannot answer conclusively, then shut the hell up accusing me of being soulmates.
Incidently, my one and only soulmate is next to me and she is watching TV. Not plotting whacks on Muslims mate. Sorry to dissapoint you...

 

[ralphchadkirk]

I notice that TrainBrain185 missed answering Snapper's post above. It couldn't be a mistake, could it? Must be those bloody muslims messing with the forums again...



(Note: sarcasm was involved with this post, before you all accuse me of being intolerant!)

 

[Snapper]

Oh, are we then. Well you know me better than I do huh? Thats rich for sure. I am amused with that one.
Riddle me this one dude. Am I actively involved with these people then? C'mon if your such a wise guy. Gimme an answer. Yes? No?
If you cannot answer conclusively, then shut the hell up accusing me of being soulmates.
Incidently, my one and only soulmate is next to me and she is watching TV. Not plotting whacks on Muslims mate. Sorry to dissapoint you...

Who says you have to be 'actively involved' with the EDL to be an apologist for them and try and push their agenda (fear of Muslims) - which is what you're doing.

As I said before - we judge you by your own words.

 

[TrainBrain185]

I notice that TrainBrain185 missed answering Snapper's post above. It couldn't be a mistake, could it? Must be those bloody muslims messing with the forums again...



(Note: sarcasm was involved with this post, before you all accuse me of being intolerant!)

Gimme a chance Ralph. Have patience dear sir..

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Gimme a chance Ralph. Have patience dear sir..

Fair enough!

 

[TrainBrain185]

Who says you have to be 'actively involved' with the EDL to be an apologist for them and try and push their agenda (fear of Muslims) - which is what you're doing.

As I said before - we judge you by your own words.

Depends with the context and mindset you want to read into them. You never answered my question by the way. Yes or No? You seem to be pushing their agenda more than me pal. You are the one suggesting I am trying to push their agendas. Not me. With regards to the terrible atrocities thats happened in the countries you mention in another message, that takes us into another arena of discussion. I will not digress on those places. Sad as those situations were, it does not fit the remit of your message above.
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Fair enough!

Thankyou.
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Snapper and Co. I am tired now. Bantered enough for this evening. I suggest a ceasefire to ease the blisters on my fingers. Tommorrow night perhaps? Bye for now.

 

[Snapper]

Depends with the context and mindset you want to read into them. You never answered my question by the way. Yes or No? You seem to be pushing their agenda more than me pal. You are the one suggesting I am trying to push their agendas. Not me. With regards to the terrible atrocities thats happened in the countries you mention in another message, that takes us into another arena of discussion. I will not digress on those places. Sad as those situations were, it does not fit the remit of your message above.

Now, lets try and think about this one for a minute...

I'm the one that's saying the EDL are a bunch of racist thugs, so - how (compared to your constant apologising for them) can that possibly me being seen as "pushing their agenda more than me"?

I'm genuinely fascinated about that one.

As for the rest of the post, I'm really sorry - but it's whaffle. There's no meat and no engagement. Why is the 'threat' from these idiots burning poppies in any way comparable to any of the points raised? One could also mention that if they really wanted to do something - and if they were sooo much of a threat - they wouldn't be burning paper poppies....

 

[scotsman]

Your plucking at straws now mate. That again, is your view. Who has been involved in all the major atrocities of this passed decade then? Pinky and Perky? Its not ruddy rocket science to have to agree with the Western World leaders. Its too much in your face to to be taken to be taken out of context be it me, or any other average Joe in the street in their daily lives.

So, basically, you are blaming Muslims for it. Correct, if you take it out of context. They are Muslims in the loosest sense of the word, these guys are an extremist minority - just in the same way you, and your EDL pals are an extremist minority who will not get the slightest piece of respect from anyone who is worth their salt.

To say you disgust me is quite an understatement.

 

[yorkie]

With regret, I also had the misfortune of having to drive my car through an Asian Community street where upon my car was spat at by the kids whilst their parents just watched.

Worse can happen in certain 'British Community' streets! Go to some 'chav'-infested town and find out!

Those two incidents sadly made my mind up rightly or wrongly to have very very poor opinion of those type of people.

What 'type' of people?

Because of that, does it make me "rar right" or a thug? Perhaps from now on, I will keep my own council in for fear of being branded a racist or Politically Incorrect.

Because of what? If by "that type" you mean Asian people, then, yes you sound like a racist to me!

By the way, what "type" of person are you, just so I can decide whether or not to dislike that "type"? Thanks!

I expect posts of this nature on a certain other forum, where there are a small (but significant and very vocal) minority, of simple-minded people lacking intelligence (I'm sure Snapper knows where I am referring to all too well ), who could be termed "far right", but it is disappointing to see that type of post here, albeit from (thankfully) just a couple of members (one of whom is quite young and who requested his post be deleted because he was, later, so embarrassed by it).

 

[TrainBrain185]

By the way, what "type" of person are you, just so I can decide whether or not to dislike that "type"? Thanks!

Looks like the decision of what type of person I am has already been made by a number of people seemingly. So you already have the answer.

 

[scotsman]

Looks like the decision of what type of person I am has already been made by a number of people seemingly. So you already have the answer.

Oh dear!

He gave you the chance to openly refute being an EDL sympathiser on a plate and you overlooked it to make a snide remark.

Speaking of 'type' - I'm gonna go with the rest of the forum that you're an ignorant fool who's trying to push EDL propaganda through exemplification.

Answer that.

 

[TrainBrain185]

Oh dear!

He gave you the chance to openly refute being an EDL sympathiser on a plate and you overlooked it to make a snide remark.

Speaking of 'type' - I'm gonna go with the rest of the forum that you're an ignorant fool who's trying to push EDL propaganda through exemplification.

Answer that.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.......YAWN. Yep, like I said, the decision has been made. Ignorant? I am amused! Very amused.

 

[scotsman]

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.......YAWN. Yep, like I said, the decision has been made. Ignorant? I am amused! Very amused.

What a fantastic response that was. You have just proven that you are ignorant and arrogant and, once again, have passed up the opportunity to denounce the EDL and it's beliefs, which you have been pushing.