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May 2015 Timetable

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Darren R

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Despite the late publication, Table 82 doesn't reflect the Farnworth Tunnel timetable.
The TPE changes are in, but the Northern times look wrong to me.
There are Huddersfield-Bolton-Wigan trains in there, and weekend services via Bolton.

Agreed - having looked at the new e-NRT I've discovered it's riddled with mistakes: it quite takes me back to the Good Ol' Days of BR! :lol: Despite all the months of planning that's gone into the Farnworth Tunnel rebuild, the e-NRT is showing a normal timetable at weekends. Table 94 is showing an hourly train service on Saturdays and Sundays between Blackburn - Bolton - Manchester, when in fact there are no trains at all at weekends until October.

It's not just the timetables that include mistakes, so do some of the maps and the links to individual maps. Not Network Rail's finest hour: perhaps their minds are on other matters at the moment! :p
 
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Are the Summer Cross Country HST diagrams confirmed yet?
I am helping a friend plan an ALR and we wants the XC HSTs.
I usually look on the 125Group website but nothing up yet.
 

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I went to my local station today to get a couple of first-day tickets for Ebbw Vale Town and the Todmorden Curve, and whilst I was there I picked up the new VT timetable.

Firstly, it's probably the best timetable cover design I've ever seen (see attached), and secondly, after 'correcting' it in the winter addition, they've decided to recombine the Monday-Friday and Saturday timetable for Euston-Chester / North Wales (table C)... despite the fact none of the trains are the same! They all alternate between a SX and SO footnote :?
 

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Are the Summer Cross Country HST diagrams confirmed yet?
I am helping a friend plan an ALR and we wants the XC HSTs.
I usually look on the 125Group website but nothing up yet.

They are up to date until Dec 2015 in the frequently requested diagrams 'sticky' in this forum.
 

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Firstly, it's probably the best timetable cover design I've ever seen (see attached),

Well apart from such interesting things as Nuneaton being near Penzance, Edinburgh being near Aberdeen and Crewe moving into East Anglia and Glasgow heading off into the Shetland Islands! :lol:
 

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Well apart from such interesting things as Nuneaton being near Penzance, Edinburgh being near Aberdeen and Crewe moving into East Anglia and Glasgow heading off into the Shetland Islands! :lol:

There's no pleasing some people! ;) Crewe also handily doubles up as Anglesey.
 

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The little rundown in Network Rail's 'Commercial Information' v

‘What’s New?’ said:
Abellio Greater Anglia:
Great Eastern:
From Sunday 31st May 2015, TFL Rail will take over the running of all Great Eastern Metro
services between Liverpool Street and Gidea Park / Shenfield from Abellio Greater Anglia.
Only minor timetable changes will occur initially.
From Monday 1st June 2015, London Overground Rail Operations Ltd will take over the running
of all services between Romford and Upminster from Abellio Greater Anglia. No changes will
take place at the timetable change but LO will operate the Monday to Friday service until 22:00
from when they take over the service.
West Anglia:
From Sunday 31st May 2015, London Overground Rail Operations Ltd will take over the running of all
services between Liverpool Street and Chingford / Enfield Town / Cheshunt (via Seven Sisters) from
Abellio Greater Anglia.
Changes to the timetable will be limited, except on Sundays where the following changes will take place:
An additional ‘all stations’ service every 30 minutes will operate between Liverpool St and Cheshunt via Seven
Sisters, which will give intermediate stations between Liverpool St and Edmonton Green a more frequent service
of every 15 minutes.
Hertford East services are diverted to/from Stratford and the Cambridge-Stratford service is diverted to/from
Liverpool St. This means that two services each hour will operate between Liverpool St and Cambridge.
Stratford, Ponders End, Brimsdown, Enfield Lock and Waltham Cross will have a more frequent service of
every 30 minutes.
Main Line and Rural:
Two additional summer-dated services will run in each direction between London and
Norwich on Sundays until 27th September.
The through summer Saturday services from London to Great Yarmouth will not operate this year. Instead
there will be eight additional non-stop summer-dated services each way between Norwich and Great
Yarmouth until 5th September.

East Coast:
From 1st March 2015 operation of the InterCity East Coast franchise transferred to InterCity Railways Limited,
under the name ‘Virgin Trains East Coast’. More information can be found at
http://www.stagecoach.com/media/news-releases/2014-11-27.aspx

London Overground:
On 1st June 2015 London Overground will take over stopping services from Liverpool Street to Enfield
Town, Cheshunt (via Seven Sisters) and Chingford – most train times will be unchanged.
On 31 May 2015 London Overground will also take over services between Romford and Upminster,
including a later finish for weekday trains (up to 2200).
North Yorkshire Moors: An enhanced daily service will operate to and from Whitby of five
trains (Monday to Saturday) and four trains (Sundays) in each direction until 1st November.

TFL Rail: TFL Rail is the new operator taking over Metro services between London Liverpool Street
and Shenfield. This is the first stage of the Crossrail project currently underway, a new rail service for
London and the South-East which, when completed, will link Reading in the West to Shenfield in the.
East, along with Abbey Wood, through new tunnels being constructed under central London. Crossrail
is a joint venture between Transport for London(TFL) and the Department for Transport (DfT). By 2019
Crossrail will connect the City, Canary Warf, the West End and Heathrow Airport to commuter areas.
East and west of the Capital. From May 2015 Crossrail will commence running as TFL Rail between
London Liverpool Street and Shenfield taking over services currently operated by Abellio Greater
Anglia. The existing trains on the route will be used but will be gradually replaced by a brand new fleet
of Crossrail trains from 2017.
Crossrail services will be introduced as follows;
May 2018 Heathrow to London Paddington (mainline platforms) when Crossrail takes over the existing
Heathrow Connect service.
December 2018 Paddington (Crossrail platforms) to Abbey Wood
May 2019 Paddington (Crossrail platforms) to Shenfield
December 2019 Full through services including services to Reading

Arriva Trains Wales: A new enhanced service will operate between Shrewsbury& Aberystwyth in
both directions on Monday to Saturday & Sundays. (Table 76)
A new revised Monday to Friday timetable will operate of the “ Heart of Wales Line” which
includes 2 new services Table (129)

ScotRail: Sunday services commencing 17th May to Newcraighall, Paisley Canal and stations
between Bellgrove and Springburn. 0520 Glasgow-Oban and 0521 Oban-Glasgow run Addionally
Saturdays from 23 May. Glasgow-Edinburgh travellers will need to re-plan their journeys during the
closure of Winchburgh Tunnel from 13th June to 26th July – see www.scotrail.co.uk/winchburgh.
 
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It's far too early to judge if that is true. ATW timetable show's it as a through service throughout the new timetable period.
Not on the version I just downloaded. Every service which currently runs between Chester and Llandudno Junction after 9pm is shown as cancelled after 4th September on Mondays-Thursdays, with a few 'buses added to provide an option to some of the people who would normally use them.

The ATW timetable isn't perfect either, anyway. I notice that there's a train timetabled to arrive at Chester at 23:20 before going off to Manchester 2 minutes later, but there's no hint on the page as to where it arrives at Chester from.
 
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Not on the version I just downloaded. Every service which currently runs between Chester and Llandudno Junction after 9pm is shown as cancelled after 4th September, with a few 'buses added to provide an option to some of the people who would normally use them.

The ATW timetable isn't perfect either, anyway. I notice that there's a train timetabled to arrive at Chester at 23:20 before going off to Manchester 2 minutes later, but there's no hint on the page as to where it arrives at Chester from.

Realtime Trains has 23.20 Chester, starting at Birmingham International via Shrewsbury, don't think many would know that if they read the ATW timetable though.
 

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Has anyone else noticed that Table 36 has been drastically cut? Settle to Carlisle is missing. Helifield and Clitheroe are missing from the Stations Index. (well in my version anyway)

It looks like they intended to put S&C and Morecambe services in a seperate table, then forgot to do it. I say that because there are column heading notes saying which trains go to Carlisle and Morecambe, which wouldn't be needed if they intended to retain them in table 36.

The headings could be auto generated of course by the rubbish software that creates the tables.

ps I notice that the tendancy to have services way out of position time-wise continues.
 
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Quick question regarding Table Numbers.

If we go back to Oct 1989; Middlesborough - Whitby was Table 42.
Moving to 2000; York and Selby - Hull and Doncaster - Selby where showing in Table 42 whilst Middlesborough - Whitby had moved to Table 45.

Now it appears the Leeds - Morecambe/Carlisle is Table 42; Middlesborough - Whitby is still Table 45

Whilst I don't pretend to know a lot about the National Rail Timetable; I'd have thought that keeping Table Numbers consistent as much as possible would be beneficial?
 

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Well, the main ones haven't changed since 1975, but there have been a large number of rejiggings over the years.

In this case, 42 has been vacant for some years, and the new 42 is split off from 36, as 37 was. The sequence has remained the same though.
 

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The Marches line was a big change in number, I remember when it used to be table 87, now it's 131.
IIRC, Bristol -Padd only became table 125 when the HSTs (Inter-City 125s) were introduced.

I notice also that the SO St Pancras - Scarborough is as elusive as ever, failing to appear in table 39 again. Even in table 53 there's no note to say that it goes beyond York.
 
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Any idea which table/tables the Birmingham-Leicester-Stansted services appear in now??? They've been removed from both tables 49 and 57...
 

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Any idea which table now has Coventry - Nuneaton ? As it seems to have vanished from table 67 where it used to be.

Also I notice that the station index is a copy and that there are a lot of missing stations in the H's

In Copy of May 2015 Station Index A-Z.pdf Page 16 these are missing

Heald Green(HDG)
Healing(HLI)
Heath High Level(HHL)
Heath Low Level(HLL)
Heathrow Airport T123(HXX)
Heathrow Airport T4(HAF)
Heaton Chapel(HTC)
Hebden Bridge(HBD)
Heckington(HEC)
Hedge End(HDE)
Hednesford(HNF)
Heighington(HEI)
Helensburgh Central(HLC)
Helensburgh Upper(HLU)
Hellifield(HLD)
Helmsdale(HMS)
Helsby(HSB)
Hemel Hempstead(HML)
Hendon(HEN)
Hengoed(HNG)
Henley-in-Arden(HNL)
Henley-on-Thames(HOT)
Hensall(HEL)
Hereford(HFD)
Herne Bay(HNB)
Herne Hill(HNH)
Hersham(HER)
Hertford East(HFE)
Hertford North(HFN)
Hessle(HES)
Heswall(HSW)
Hever(HEV)
Heworth (Bus)(HEZ)
Heworth(HEW)
Hexham(HEX)
Heyford(HYD)
Heysham Port(HHB)
High Brooms(HIB)
High Street(HST)
High Wycombe(HWY)
Higham(HGM)
Highams Park(HIP)
Highbridge & Burnham(HIG)
Highbury & Islington(HHY)
Hightown(HTO)
Hildenborough(HLB)
Hillfoot(HLF)
Hillington East(HLE)
Hillington West(HLW)
Hillside(HIL)

between
Headstone Lane
and
Hilsea

How can it all get so wrong??
 
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Is there a list of the new tables anywhere or do I need to compare my downloads for Dec 14 to May 15?
 

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Ok so where has Nuneaton to Leicester gone - should be in table 57 according to index and map?
 

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Table 47
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
Should hopefully clear any queries up (adapted from the latest TRUK):
- Leeds-S&C / Morecambe - now 42 ex-36
- Birmingham-Leicester / Stansted - now 47 ex-57
- Newport-Gloucester - now 57
- Worcester / Cheltenham-Gloucester - now 58 ex-57
 

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