London Midland 321s/319s discussion

[windnoise69]

Goig out to take some photos of the London midland 321s tomorrow and just wondering. Do the diagrams booked to go into Euston run in pairs?

 

[Kristofferson]

In peak, yes. Off peak, no. As far as I remember.

 

[Silverlinky]

Sunday sees the end of 321 Operations with London Midland and its various predecessors, the units have served them well for the best part of 26 years.
The final LM 321 service is scheduled to be the 1507 Watford Jn-St Albans Abbey and return, with the 1607 and return the first servoce worked by the 319's.

 

[fv43576]

Sadly it was nice train ride between St Albans Abbey and Watford, which train to replace? where will the 321 move to where?

 

[FQ]

Sunday sees the end of 321 Operations with London Midland and its various predecessors, the units have served them well for the best part of 26 years.
The final LM 321 service is scheduled to be the 1507 Watford Jn-St Albans Abbey and return, with the 1607 and return the first servoce worked by the 319's.

They will be missed on the LM network.

 

[fv43576]

Really, sold to other company or stored or scrap?

 

[Jordy]

The 321s are going to ScotRail (once they've been to Doncaster for refurb and shortening to 3 car), they will be replaced on LM by 319s displaced from Thameslink.

 

[Mag_seven]

Sunday sees the end of 321 Operations with London Midland and its various predecessors, the units have served them well for the best part of 26 years.
The final LM 321 service is scheduled to be the 1507 Watford Jn-St Albans Abbey and return, with the 1607 and return the first servoce worked by the 319's.

That should lead to some interesting maneuvers around Watford that afternoon as I understand that the St Albans unit is "locked" into the branch.

 

[87015]

The 321s are going to ScotRail (once they've been to Doncaster for refurb and shortening to 3 car), they will be replaced on LM by 319s displaced from Thameslink.

2 to LO for a fair while as posted on the other thread though.

Last bit of the WCML I grew up with finally going...
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That should lead to some interesting maneuvers around Watford that afternoon as I understand that the St Albans unit is "locked" into the branch.

Booked swap Sunday afternoons.

413/415/417 flying the flag today.

 

[plastictaffy]

In peak, yes. Off peak, no. As far as I remember.

There is an 8 car set coupled all day on the Tring terminators.

You'll also find that the 2224 ex Euston is diagrammed for the same 8 car set, although last week it was substituted with an 8 car 350.

I'm not sure they'll go when they're supposed to, we don't all sign 'em yet!!!

 

[Ianno87]

That should lead to some interesting maneuvers around Watford that afternoon as I understand that the St Albans unit is "locked" into the branch.

It's not quite so restrictive since the re-signalling work was completed; it's now a Main Aspect route on and off the branch (it was previously a Ground Frame that needed to be operated)

Anyway, the 321 leaves the branch by heading out of Platform 11 straight along the Up Slow to Euston, and then returning ECS back to Northampton (rather than attempting to reverse immediately south of Watford Junction):

http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/P73525/2015-09-20

Then the 319 arrives from Northampton via the Up Slow (after the 319 has left the branch entirely), reverses south of the station (looking like it exchanges crew as it first arrives at Watford - possibly a driver in the back cab to give a quicker reversal?) and thence into Platform 11:

http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/P73298/2015-09-20

 

[MK Tom]

The 321s are going to ScotRail (once they've been to Doncaster for refurb and shortening to 3 car), they will be replaced on LM by 319s displaced from Thameslink.

I heard recently that they're staying 4 car now? Can't remember who or what thread but it was on here.

 

[Jordy]

2 to LO for a fair while as posted on the other thread though.

Last bit of the WCML I grew up with finally going...
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Booked swap Sunday afternoons.

413/415/417 flying the flag today.

Fair enough - I haven't heard much about the LO rumour, presumably two of the three still with LM rather than those which have already gone north.

 

[bb21]

Sunday sees the end of 321 Operations with London Midland and its various predecessors, the units have served them well for the best part of 26 years.
The final LM 321 service is scheduled to be the 1507 Watford Jn-St Albans Abbey and return, with the 1607 and return the first servoce worked by the 319's.

Only just seen this. That was lucky of me getting a station leap on a Tring terminator today. Probably for the last time. 415+417 did the honours.

It's all happened so fast. It wasn't that long ago 411 went to Donny.

 

[Carntyne]

I heard recently that they're staying 4 car now? Can't remember who or what thread but it was on here.

Nope, being reduced to 3 cars as planned.

 

[FQ]

Is anyone planning to head to Watford for the last 2 LM 321 moves. If I have the time I will try and get down for them.

 

[MK Tom]

I am, but it clashes with Showbus and I haven't decided how that's going to work out yet.

 

[Kite159]

I will try and get on the last LM 321 movement (and first LM 319 movement) on Sunday, although won't be from Watford as I will be clearing out my remaining shacks on that line

 

[FQ]

Which shacks do you need on that line? I will try and be there for the Dusty but I'm not sure if I can be asked staying for another hour in order to get a 319.

 

[oversteer]

Aboard possibly my last ever 321.
Nice to see LM marking the occasion on their platform displays - "Formed of 'Class 321' units for the last time since 1987"

 

[Kristofferson]

I was also on this train - was this the last 321 passenger working on the WCML?

Edit: Apparently not. Last is the 22:24 EUS-NMP: https://twitter.com/James_H_1991/status/644749468366147586

 

[MK Tom]

Can I confirm the 319 launch / last 321 working is still happening today (Sunday)? I'd rather not go all the way to Watford and be disappointed!

 

[swt_passenger]

I was also on this train - was this the last 321 passenger working on the WCML?

Edit: Apparently not. Last is the 22:24 EUS-NMP: https://twitter.com/James_H_1991/status/644749468366147586

You must be sure that Scotrail won't use them on their bit of the WCML...

 

[87015]

319216 out according to the box.
321417/414 brought down the flag on proper workings with the 2224 out of Euston Friday night http://www.leightonlogs.org/Class321end.htm

 

[Kite159]

They could have least tidied 216 up a bit, ie removed the TGN posters (although looked like another passenger had them)

 

[Blindtraveler]

Whats happening to the coaches made spare? Spares doaners for classmates or other similar ones?

 

[87015]

Also despite the sceptism there was a 1247 Northampton-Ilford with the units for LOROL (unallocated, but two from 414/415/417 presumably)
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They could have least tidied 216 up a bit, ie removed the TGN posters (although looked like another passenger had them)

Behave, its LM, never expect anything above the bare minimum. There was Silverlink stuff in the 321s to the end.
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319429/460 show at Bletchley CS for tomorrow, possibly the 0554 MK-EN and diagram?

 

[Blindtraveler]

Are Scotrail not taking all units then?

 

[swt_passenger]

Also despite the sceptism there was a 1247 Northampton-Ilford with the units for LOROL (unallocated, but two from 414/415/417 presumably)

Is TfL London Rail not more likely, especially if they're at Ilford? Or can they hide them away from mainstream LO by using them on Romford - Upminster? In fact thinking about it they must be hidden away from the original LO, the 378 operated areas of the NLL, ELL and DC as they are AC only units...

 

[Aictos]

They could have least tidied 216 up a bit, ie removed the TGN posters (although looked like another passenger had them)

Did you expect any less? No doubt they end up on Ebay :roll: