I think you've answered your own question!I created this thread to find out what was confirmed to be happening. Only lots of people have speculated and now it’s been moved to Speculative Ideas
I'm not sure that's really a case point these days.
Nothing that can be discussed in public yet mate.Is there any solid news on the new fleet?
I created this thread to find out what was confirmed to be happening. Only lots of people have speculated and now it’s been moved to Speculative Ideas
Ahh okay, yes we wouldn’t want anyone revealing anything that could get them in bother at work. Good to know things are moving though as the 225s won’t last forever (sadly)
Perhaps a ‘Yorkshire‘ specification, with Working Class and Alan Bennett class; Chips and mushy peas served by trolley Dorises. (With apologies to Hale and Pace).
Does that come with or without the out house?
It comes wi' folk that dunt like the prices. "Ah dunt want th'ole chuffing carrige."
I'm guessing this is LNER's rival to standard premium?
The driver and guard will also close the doors whenever they like, will give the right away whenever it takes their fancy and will depart when they feel like it, because they're t'driver and guard.
But never going outside Yorkshire as if it`s not Yorkshire "it`s no bl**by good"
But AB class is aimed at "them wit more brass then sense"
Well it'll be something other than a 9 car IET as that is shorter than the specified 'minimum 250m'. I guess there's nothing stopping Hitachi creating a 10 car variant?DfT has extended the direct award to June 2023, with option to June 2025. The new version 1.5X has the following stock on page 151
London North Eastern Railway 2018 rail services agreement
London North Eastern Railway (LNER) 2018 services agreement and ancillary legal documents.www.gov.uk
Per the table on page 151, the IC225 sets have new lease following expiry of current ending 30 September to 31 May 2023 (with option to 31 May 2024).
The real interest for this thread is the table on page 153 with the new rolling stock to be ready by December 2025 change date.
So there it it between 10 and 15 units, with no less than 590 seats (+ disabled seats) with top speed of 127mph
Does anyone know why it includes the requirement to be able to do 90 mph in self-power mode? Is that slower than the current 80x outside of electrified areas? I thought the new trains were likely to be restricted to the electric network? Do people think a battery option is likely to be offered?
a 10 car 80x, a 13-car FLIRT, or whatever siemens, alstom, CAF, or even talgo come up with would all be possible
Probably not, but maybe for diversions or some unannounced idea to extend trains to more destinations in Yorkshire or to Aberdeen etc
As it is it probably reduces the bidders to CAF, Hitachi and Stadler, unless some other companies bid to get their foot in the door.
Stadler might bid as well - FLIRTS can be build up to 200 km/h, and are available as bimode, so could fit the requirements well
According to the Stadler website the Flirt 200 is upto 8 cars
The 12 car FLIRTS operate with just one panto, usually the trailing arm.The GA ones (12-car) don't exist, then!
Er, they do. What Stadler did was to effectively build two coupled 6-car half-units to make up each 12-car set (a bit like the original Eurostars), but with a cab at only one end. I forget if they have both pantographs up, but a bus-line down the roof is hardly a difficult job.
They are 236.6m long, so if you wanted 250m you could add one more vehicle, or two if preferred to keep the half sets the same length.
If there's the money, a way can always be found
This photo (from Railcolor News) is of the two "end coaches" in the middle of the formation, they aren't articulated and have all the electrical gubbins but no actual cab:
No, it wouldn't be possible. There are a number of structural differences, only one of which is that the cars carrying gensets need to have higher floors than normal.
While a noble goal, it would introduce a large amount of extra cost - and I suspect in the DfT's view unnecessarily so.
ETCS removes the signal sighting problem that originally capped ECML speeds at 125 mph, yes, but going faster entails a lot more work on the permanent way and at stations too. Not impossible, but another very large pile of money for (if I remember previous discussions correctly) not that much practical benefit.
Apart from the height of the floor in the driving cars all the 80x are the same you can fit a generating set to any of them.
In my understanding there are some stretches where the ECML could already safely operate at 140-150 mph, if the signalling system supported it. If you wanted to use that on more significant stretches more investment would be needed, but why lock in the rolling stock at less than 140 mph if every order for the ECML since the 91s has supported 140 mph running?
We can hope that whatever gets selected is capable of running at 140 mph! Though in the case of Stadler, you would end up in another family for a 140 mph train (the SMILE) instead of the FLIRT, which is 200 km/h max, so I guess we'll see
