You are still not reading my posts properly, I didnt call scotman a brat, It was a piece of humour that you are too either to sanctomonious or to thick to understand. Also you still refuse to see my point, words are not killed off they are just forgotton. For example at my school homework is now called independant study, which everyone apart from me has cottoned on to calling it that. Also films are now called movies which I HATE.
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You are still not reading my posts properly, I didnt call scotman a brat, It was a piece of humour that you are too either to sanctomonious or to thick to understand. Also you still refuse to see my point, words are not killed off they are just forgotton. For example at my school homework is now called independant study, which everyone apart from me has cottoned on to calling it that. Also films are now called movies which I HATE.
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ralphchadkirk
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Oh Karl, you do make me laugh. You're making yourself look silly now by not giving up - even Bighat has done. Calling people thick is also an insult you know
You've shot yourself in the foot with that one...If you're really insistent on finishing this, perhaps answer my questions about how the government are killing off words? So far all you've come up with is the change from Guard to Conductor which had nothing to do with the government, or killing off words.
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I see you've edited your post...
So when you said these things, you didn't mean them? Or are you trying to backtrack for the sake of saving face?
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'Young people' is a good phrase. It covers a range that is wider then teenagers. Kids/children/bairns is too low an age range. The Youth Service (Youth Connexxions) use it because they have to cover an age range that no other word or phrase covers.
Issues is an overused word, but it is the right word here.
Now, as a young person and a representative of young people*, perhaps if this thread is going to go on we could redirect it towards one or more of the many, many issues facing young people.
*Before some one has a go at me for making myself a self appointed representative of a group, there was a vote that made me a representative.
Issues is an overused word, but it is the right word here.
Now, as a young person and a representative of young people*, perhaps if this thread is going to go on we could redirect it towards one or more of the many, many issues facing young people.
*Before some one has a go at me for making myself a self appointed representative of a group, there was a vote that made me a representative.
ralphchadkirk
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So why did you say they were killed off by the government if what you meant was that people use different words for things, and slowly words get forgotten?
Oh Karl, you do make me laugh. You're making yourself look silly now by not giving up - even Bighat has done. Calling people thick is also an insult you know
If you're really insistent on finishing this, perhaps answer my questions about how the government are killing off words? So far all you've come up with is the change from Guard to Conductor which had nothing to do with the government, or killing off words.
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I see you've edited your post...
So when you said these things, you didn't mean them? Or are you trying to backtrack for the sake of saving face?
I will admit that I was a bit clumsy in saying those things but what I really ment is the the basic underlying message that words are often forgotton in favour of new ones which eventually resembles Goerge Orwells newspeak. (I would recomend you google it) anyway this piece written by Charlie Brooker portrays at its best what I'm trying to say http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/30/charlie-brooker-buzzwords-blowhards .
ralphchadkirk
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Don't worry, I've read Nineteen Eighty-Four many times before.
I hardly think people preferring to say 'young people' over teenagers makes it an attempt to remove meaning and to control thought - which is what newspeak is, or did you not Google it?
Newspeak attempts to remove antonyms and synonyms for example, not calling Guards, Conductors.
I hardly think people preferring to say 'young people' over teenagers makes it an attempt to remove meaning and to control thought - which is what newspeak is, or did you not Google it?
Newspeak attempts to remove antonyms and synonyms for example, not calling Guards, Conductors.
Don't worry, I've read Nineteen Eighty-Four many times before.
I hardly think people preferring to say 'young people' over teenagers makes it an attempt to remove meaning and to control thought - which is what newspeak is, or did you not Google it?
Newspeak attempts to remove antonyms and synonyms for example, not calling Guards, Conductors.
Its a bit more subtle than as George Orwell has written also I dont think its as severe as he writes, but its all about the creation of buzzwords. Buzzwords are created to avoid offence, By the way did you read the Charlie Brooker bit? Also do you notice how no one calles a recession anymore, its been re-branded credit crunch, to make it seem less alarming and depressing.
That sort of thing get on my nerves
Karl, I fear you are quite wrong on this. Credit crunch was coined by someone to describe the lack of credit offered by the banks and which caused difficulties for business, both small and large. The inability to get credit that could be used to cover short term cash flow difficulties and day to day business fluctuations caused a lot of businesses to go bust. This led to a recession, the description of which is defined, and this was recorded by news media informing us that we had entered recession, and subsequently come out of recession.
As to words being forgotten, you did originally say that language and words were being deliberately killed off by government, which is quite a difference comapred to the natural evolution of a language that is normal and ongoing. The rate of change in the English language has increased due to mass media and improved communication, but this change has been going on for all time. In fact, what is English? When did it start? It wasn't created, it evolved slowly from a wide variety of sources and developed through the centureis. Hence it should be no surprise that it is still developing.
You are entitled to your opinions. That does not them correct. Charlie Brooker has his own views, but one of his main objectives is to entertain. If you don't like certain words, use words you feel more comfortable, but I object to anyone, government, council, or person, trying to tell me what words are good/right and what words are bad/wrong. That is completely different to society as a whole accepting that the use of certain words and phrases are no longer desirable.
As to words being forgotten, you did originally say that language and words were being deliberately killed off by government, which is quite a difference comapred to the natural evolution of a language that is normal and ongoing. The rate of change in the English language has increased due to mass media and improved communication, but this change has been going on for all time. In fact, what is English? When did it start? It wasn't created, it evolved slowly from a wide variety of sources and developed through the centureis. Hence it should be no surprise that it is still developing.
You are entitled to your opinions. That does not them correct. Charlie Brooker has his own views, but one of his main objectives is to entertain. If you don't like certain words, use words you feel more comfortable, but I object to anyone, government, council, or person, trying to tell me what words are good/right and what words are bad/wrong. That is completely different to society as a whole accepting that the use of certain words and phrases are no longer desirable.
90019
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Language evolves with time. We don't speak the same English as they did 100 years ago, because words and meanings have changed. You can even see the difference in how they evolve differently in different places with the changes between British English and American English, some words - especially slang - have very different meanings (I dare you to ask an American if you can bum a fag
).The thing is, if you were to go back a hundred years, the people then would probably have the same attitude to how English has evolved into how you use it as you do to how it is evolving now.
I'm not a fan of txt spk, I think it looks stupid and not everyone understands it, but it shows how people adapt language to their own purposes. And please don't use the "It's affecting how they write normally" line, because studies done have shown that those who reguarly use txt spk are no worse or better than anyone else (I'll see if I can find them, but I can't remember where I found them before).
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Charlie Brooker makes a good point about buzzwords, but it's not particularly relevant here.
If you were paying attention in the first place, people were originally calling it a credit crunch, well before it was being called a recession. It was called a recession later on into it and now the two terms are used interchangably.
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English is certainly an odd language, and I'm glad I don't have to learn it as a second one, because it's a minefield compared to languages like French or Spanish, which are much more logical (mind you, I can't learn those either, and I struggle enough with English as it is
)Something he's very good at
I find that slang generally holds the best examples of this.
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Very good point I cant argue with that.
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Its just in the past couple of years I have heard credit crunch being used, and personally I dont like the word, it sounds more like a cereal than a deficit.
It would be interesting to find out the origins of how the whole conception of slang came about
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