Issues that affect Young People

[scotsman]

Hi, I write a column on rotation with a few others for The Dunfermline Press under the title of 'Youth Say' - which is essentially on whatever we want, so long as it refers to Young People's issues. Preferrably these are current too.

Last week I put my point across about Tuition Fees, this week I'm struggling for something topical and an easy story about public transport seems to be on the cards.

Are there any younger members of this forum with public transport issues that might be relevant to the readers? Or older members who have issues which younger people could relate to?

 

[chris89]

I can certinally help you.

For me in the part of the West Midlands i live in the public transport is terrible, for example buses stop far to early in the evening (6:45 from Bridgnorth)

Their was a late bus at 10pm but was scraped due to apparnt excuse of underage people being sick on it which is a pain if your out with friends at night as you have to get a taxi home.

Bus timings between various companies are not the best, One of the main ones being Arriva. Local Rail services are fantastic though with my closest mainline stations being Wolverhampton & Kidderminster with frequent services from both, but again both let down by poor bus connections.

If you have any other questions be free to ask, I know the bus services in Armadale are fantastic even though my girlfriend seems to disagree

Chris

 

[scotsman]

Ta, bus frequencies I could definitely try. Unfortunately the readership's centred around west Fife!

 

[chris89]

I understand that it's just for fife, just to give you an example of other places.

Bus Frequency is one every hour apart from midday theirs a two hour gap and saturdays its a mess.

 

[Eng274]

Ta, bus frequencies I could definitely try. Unfortunately the readership's centred around west Fife!

Does costa del Culross still have a 2-hourly bus service..?

When i used to frequent the place, your day was dictated by whether the stagecoach 78 turned up, if it didnt you had to abandon your day out or wait 2 hours on the next one..! Being a native of Edinburgh i found it appalling, being used to waiting at most 10 minutes for a bus.

 

[Failed Unit]

Image? Groups of young people are always deemed to be trouble makers. The old minority ruin it for everyone else. Not all young people drink Buckie in bus shelters some of the want to go somewhere.

 

[Max]

What about something to do with the transport barriers that young people face when getting to work, in terms of costs and times?

 

[Greenback]

Do young people face any greater problems than any other groups in respect of commuting to work?

 

[yorksrob]

I could not by any streach of the imagination be described as a young person

However, I do find it difficult trying to maintain a social life when the last trains back from Leeds are at 10:30 pm!

I should imagine that young people must come across the same problem if they live outside the major cities.

 

[Max]

Do young people face any greater problems than any other groups in respect of commuting to work?

I'd say, on average, young people are likely to have lower incomes, and so could be penalised more when trying to seek work away from where they live.

 

[Greenback]

Yes, that's true, but at the same time they may not have the same expenses as someone in their 20's or 30's. Similarly, the costs of relocating may be prohibitive for a home owner, who might not even be able to sell their home in the first place to be able to move. A young person wanting to leave the nest would not have those problems!

Actually, perhaps a piece deserves to be written about youngsters leaving home for the first time? This could include the costs of accommodation and travelling to work? This might be interesting as figures show that yopung people are staying with their parents for longer these days.

 

[yorkie]

Last week I put my point across about Tuition Fees,

Did you present any of these facts? Many of the students who air views on tuition fees ignore them and use hyperbole. It would be good to hear if any are presenting a balanced view.

 

[At_traction]

Did you present any of these facts? Many of the students who air views on tuition fees ignore them and use hyperbole.

Which should be allowed to them, as they are the ones who will be affected by these changes, especially as these future students who will "gain" the full effect of the legislation have absolutely no say in the proceedings, either as representatives or voters. Of course there are economic realities involved, but the potential for increased inequalities in university entrance and increased financial burden once the income threshold for repayment has been passed is hardly anything to look for for tomorrow's students.

 

[142094]

Did you present any of these facts? Many of the students who air views on tuition fees ignore them and use hyperbole. It would be good to hear if any are presenting a balanced view.

Should have used this instead. Expect to see a lot of the best researchers and staff go to places such as the US and Far East in the next few years.

 

[scotsman]

Cheers for all the suggestions, after hearing people's attitudes to others about the snow I had to try and dispel some of the misconceptions or 'problems' with the snow.

Did you present any of these facts? Many of the students who air views on tuition fees ignore them and use hyperbole. It would be good to hear if any are presenting a balanced view.

Have a look for yourself!

http://angusduncanstypings.blogspot.com/

 

[me123]

The barriers in public transport (and, indeed, in private transport as well) would be a very good discussion point, if a rather predictable answer on this forum

I'm a student who commutes into Glasgow most of the time (although, as of late, I've also been based elsewhere and have to drive). I hold a 16-25 railcard, which is fantastic for off peak travel, but offers absolutely no incentive for anything else. For those of us attending university, there's no discount for season tickets (yes, you can claim travel expenses, but that relies solely on your parents income and is extraordinarily complex; I was asked to send them my parents P60s because I'm not on an "income-assessed loan"). I know a lot of people have a grievance about this; particularly medical students who often have to travel to far-flung locations for placements.

Frequency are a major issue. I am lucky enough to live in Coatbridge (not often I get to say that! ) where most public transport, except the Motherwell-Cumbernauld rail service and a few local buses, run very frequently. But for those out "in the sticks", an infrequent and irregular bus service can leave them isolated.

Any isolation is also increased by the extraordinary costs of owning and running a car. Insurance for young people (particularly young males) is extortionate, and based on a negative stereotype that we're all alcoholic idiots who drive up single track roads at 120mph. As a responsible driver who's never been involved in an accident, has never driven within 24hrs of drinking alcohol, and who very rarely exceeds the speed limit (and never deliberately), I am being punished for the mistakes of a minority of idiots. And most other young people are exactly the same.

 

[CarterUSM]

Nice article scotsman!

 

[scotsman]

Nice article scotsman!

Cheers, I'm assuming your referring to the DOO post?

That won't be submitted to the Press on account of the likely influx of emails coming in along the lines of "wtf?"

 

[Gavelex]

Child fares should be for under 18's and not under 16's, especially since now everyone needs to stay in education until 18!

 

[Greenback]

Cheers, I'm assuming your referring to the DOO post?

That won't be submitted to the Press on account of the likely influx of emails coming in along the lines of "wtf?"

That is a great pity. I found it to be a very well written piece on the modern role of the conductor as seen from the point of view of a passenger.

 

[scotsman]

That is a great pity. I found it to be a very well written piece on the modern role of the conductor as seen from the point of view of a passenger.

Thank you very much! Perhaps I'll take it down and submit it to a few titles from the Railway Press?

And it was ALL written from my seat on 158703!

 

[me123]

Child fares should be for under 18's and not under 16's, especially since now everyone needs to stay in education until 18!

Excellent point. It's also worthwhile noting that many 16&17 year olds think (understandably) that they qualify for a child ticket; let's face it, they're treated as children just about everywhere else! Increasing the age would not be likely to have a significant effect, as I reckon many of them are dodging it (innocently of otherwise) anyway.
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Cheers, I'm assuming your referring to the DOO post?

That won't be submitted to the Press on account of the likely influx of emails coming in along the lines of "wtf?"

It's a shame; it is a good article. I won't restart this debate here - I don't wholly agree with you on DOO, but I always like to read well-informed articles from the opposing viewpoint. I hope you're considering a career in journalism - it would be great to see more of these types of articles rather than the "Daily Mail" and "The Sun" journalism that seems to plague most newspapers nowadays.

The issue with trying to explain the DOO debate is that the public refer to both TEs and Conductors as "Guards". So the public seemed to think that the TE's (who they thought were guards) were being removed from the Airdrie trains. Which they weren't. Anyway, I digress...

 

[43021HST]

Just a quick word to say that this post title embodies two off the most tosspot words 'modern' langauge has spat out, first one is young people, and the second one is the word issue being used to replace the word problem, gaaah I hate it.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Just a quick word to say that this post title embodies two off the most tosspot words 'modern' langauge has spat out, first one is young people, and the second one is the word issue being used to replace the word problem, gaaah I hate it.

Language is meant to evolve - it is not a static being - otherwise we would all still be speaking in caveman grunts.

Oh, and how modern do you think 'tosspot' is? I assure you, the young, people and issue have been around a lot longer.

 

[43021HST]

Language is meant to evolve - it is not a static being - otherwise we would all still be speaking in caveman grunts.

Oh, and how modern do you think 'tosspot' is? I assure you, the young, people and issue have been around a lot longer.

the problem with modern langauge is that its evolving into something called newspeak, where we all talk like tosspot business men, the point of this langauge devolopment is so the media and higher up 'pencil pushers' can control the langauge more closely to eliminate any words deemed 'offensive'. Also Tosspot has been around since the the dawn of time (for those of you to thick to know, the dawn of time bit is sarcasm) I agree with you about langauge evolving but currently its heading in the wrong direction.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

I agree with you about langauge evolving but currently its heading in the wrong direction.

And you are qualified to decide exactly which direction is the right direction? Sounds like a pencil-pusher type of thing, like someone wants to control the language, and eliminate the words they don't like... hang on, that sounds familiar.

 

[43021HST]

And you are qualified to decide exactly which direction is the right direction? Sounds like a pencil-pusher type of thing, like someone wants to control the language, and eliminate the words they don't like... hang on, that sounds familiar.

So cutting through the crap of your message you are basically saying that I'm not entitled to decide whether I like the way the english langauge is evolving. Now that sounds like a 'pencil pusher'. hmm sound familier.
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Child fares should be for under 18's and not under 16's, especially since now everyone needs to stay in education until 18!

I agree with that even though I'm with the last lot of year 11s who will leave at the age of 16 even though most of us are staying onto sixth form

 

[Bighat]

And you are qualified to decide exactly which direction is the right direction? Sounds like a pencil-pusher type of thing, like someone wants to control the language, and eliminate the words they don't like... hang on, that sounds familiar.

It's a pity that, instead of 'nit-picking' another members comments, which are obviously his personally held beliefs, you do not concentrate on responding to the actual question asked!

In fact YOUR behaviour, trying to look 'clever and knowledgeable at the expense of a fellow member, is perhaps one of the worst attributes of some younger people today.

It comes in the general category of 'getting a life'!

 

[ralphchadkirk]

So cutting through the crap of your message you are basically saying that I'm not entitled to decide whether I like the way the english langauge is evolving. Now that sounds like a 'pencil pusher'. hmm sound familier.

No, if you had read and understood my posts, you will see that I am saying no one is entitled to decide in what way the english language progresses, because it is a dynamic, evolving entity.
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It's a pity that, instead of 'nit-picking' another members comments, which are obviously his personally held beliefs, you do not concentrate on responding to the actual question asked!
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Please point out the question he actually did ask? I am merely pointing out that no one person, or group of people has the right to control language.
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It comes in the general category of 'getting a life'!

Lovely constructive debating there

 

[Bighat]

No, if you had read and understood my posts, you will see that I am saying no one is entitled to decide in what way the english language progresses, because it is a dynamic, evolving entity.
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Please point out the question he actually did ask? I am merely pointing out that no one person, or group of people has the right to control language.
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Lovely constructive debating there

The 'question asked' was not by klambert, I was TRYING to guide you back to the original thread question, but you seem so intent in 'point scoring' you obviously missed that.

The reference to 'getting a life' was MY view of many (especially on forums such as this) where young people lose touch with reality, and was aimed as an opinion to the person whom originally open the thread.

If you chose to make cheap comments about lovely debating, it just goes to show that you had NO intention in adressing the ORIGINAL purpose of the thread.

It also supports my stated OPINION, and like rear orifices, everyone has one!