Nottingham59
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Though of course the design for Euston is not yet finalised. There was talk of keeping the three tunnels to enable grade separation in the throat, but it's not certain yet.That makes sense, thanks for the info
Though of course the design for Euston is not yet finalised. There was talk of keeping the three tunnels to enable grade separation in the throat, but it's not certain yet.That makes sense, thanks for the info
Though of course the design for Euston is not yet finalised. There was talk of keeping the three tunnels to enable grade separation in the throat, but it's not certain yet.
I'm sure they're designed and "confirmed". But the question is whether they get funded and built. The only current evidence I know of is from the April minutes of the Euston Development Partnership:From what I understand the three tunnels are confirmed, desigdned and preparations for constructio are ongoing, by the same consortium which will build tunnels from the OOC.
This bit is not part of the Euston station contracts, where things are of course still uncertain.
"An in-principal steer had been received from ministers to look at the futureproofing of the HS2 station in more detail. There had been discussions on further work to look at how to ensure capital costs and the impact on development for some of those choices was understood."
I would have gone further with futureproofing, and added provision for link spurs to HS1I really do hope that futureproofing includes all three tunnels, grade separation and scope for future expansion to 11 platforms.
But there is:I would have gone further with futureproofing, and added provision for link spurs to HS1
There is a perverse logic to idea that there needed to be spurs towards north Wales, Liverpool, Glasgow etc, but no one would ever want to go further south east than Euston, even if it only one train out of 15 each hour.
HS2 Works Notification: Euston Tunnel construction update
From late January 2026 to late June 2027, we will be building the Euston Tunnel between Old Oak Common and Euston using two tunnel boring machines (TBMs).
We expect to launch the first tunnel boring machine (TBM Madeleine) from the Old Oak Common site in week beginning 26 January 2026 for the upline, with the second downline TBM (TBM Karen) launched about a month later.
The TBMs will progress up to 150 metres a week. The depth from the ground surface to the top of the tunnel varies between 35 and 40 metres. We expect both TBMs to complete their journey to the Euston Cavern by late June 2027.Some residents living near the Euston Tunnel route may hear some groundborne noise as the TBMs pass, or when we are building cross passages between the tunnels. We will update you as the tunnel construction progresses.
Superb news. Good to see firm confirmation of the works going ahead.HS2 Euston tunnel email update
There is a website version now with all the details including a map with indications of which months at selected locations on the map the TBMs will be atHS2 Euston tunnel email update
Hopefully lessons were learned from the Austrian method that failed at Heathrow:
Safety of New Austrian Tunnelling Method (NATM) Tunnels - HSE
Austrian Tunnelling Method (NATM). It deals with the worldwide history of NATM failures and collapses and describes the legislation, the importance of a risk-based approach and describes a model for managing risk.www.hse.gov.uk
Newly released minutes from the board’s May 2025 discussions show that HS2 manager Nick Jones hoped a two-phase strategy for transporting the construction spoil could be established.
The first phase would use existing rail track, with a second phase put into operation after a new railhead is installed and significant enabling works are carried out at Euston’s platform 16.
The second phase would require funding and a business case to be drawn up, the meeting heard.
HS2 told a Treasury official that it would need approval by the end of this financial year for the first phase. The government has since approved the phase, the HS2 spokesperson confirmed.
Already in the timetable for May, I doubt you will see more than one or two of those run.Apologies if previously mentioned, but HS2 have revived plans to remove Euston spoil by rail: https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/civils/hs2/hs2-revives-euston-spoil-by-rail-plan-19-01-2026/
I am not too surprised. Although I have no sight of it I imagine that trying to industrialise a passenger station with hard hat / safety boot / hiviz zone will not be great. Although I imagine the work area will be screened off from the passengers.Already in the timetable for May, I doubt you will see more than one or two of those run.
I am not too surprised. Although I have no sight of it I imagine that trying to industrialise a passenger station with hard hat / safety boot / hiviz zone will not be great. Although I imagine the work area will be screened off from the passengers.
How many platforms does Euston currently have ?
TIA
Its not a new plan, its all been hoarded off for years anyway. The issue with it is the performance implications of getting a heavy loaded train up the bank towards Willesden.I am not too surprised. Although I have no sight of it I imagine that trying to industrialise a passenger station with hard hat / safety boot / hiviz zone will not be great. Although I imagine the work area will be screened off from the passengers.
How many platforms does Euston currently have ?
TIA
They do, the former P17. The problems is that it is only good for ~8 wagons (assuming top and tail unless you leave a loco in the middle sidings?). Hence it is much more suited to a low work rate, long, slow excavation. So as all plans will need a big hole and lots of excavation if they want to use rail the ideal time to start is soon.Looks to me like they have a siding ready to go for the first phase:
I would assume moves at the Euston end just late in the evening so as not to impact performance but that would effectively need two trains to service the site with a very slow removal rate?Its not a new plan, its all been hoarded off for years anyway. The issue with it is the performance implications of getting a heavy loaded train up the bank towards Willesden.
They do, the former P17. The problems is that it is only good for ~8 wagons (assuming top and tail unless you leave a loco in the middle sidings?). Hence it is much more suited to a low work rate, long, slow excavation. So as all plans will need a big hole and lots of excavation if they want to use rail the ideal time to start is soon.
Getting the Tunnels done provides a second medium term option to use conveyors which might be best to removing the spoil in the later stages.
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I would assume moves at the Euston end just late in the evening so as not to impact performance but that would effectively need two trains to service the site with a very slow removal rate?
(From memory the limit up the bank is effectively 9 wagons with a 66?)
Maybe like the movement that served New St overnight from Small Heath in Birmingham ? I think they had a turnover train in the early hours whilst replacing the platforms ?They do, the former P17. The problems is that it is only good for ~8 wagons (assuming top and tail unless you leave a loco in the middle sidings?). Hence it is much more suited to a low work rate, long, slow excavation. So as all plans will need a big hole and lots of excavation if they want to use rail the ideal time to start is soon.
Getting the Tunnels done provides a second medium term option to use conveyors which might be best to removing the spoil in the later stages.
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I would assume moves at the Euston end just late in the evening so as not to impact performance but that would effectively need two trains to service the site with a very slow removal rate?
(From memory the limit up the bank is effectively 9 wagons with a 66?)
That is a serious amount of removal planned - effectively 4 pairs of paths a day and would need a serious amount of staffing at Euston to fill those in the times and lots of wagon overall for the moves beyond Euston hence as @The Planner say unlikely that many will get used.Realtime Trains | Departures from London Euston between 0200 and 0159 on 16/07/2026
Train information at London Euston between 0200 and 0159 on 16/07/2026. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.www.realtimetrains.co.uk
In traffic hours, with passenger trains amended to be off pattern and longer journey times to make them work
Finally! Feels like we are getting near to the end now even though the TBM will finish next year in summer
Tunnelling to Euston has begun
Indeed. Crossrail made maximum use of it: https://learninglegacy.crossrail.co...-tunnel-linings-on-Londons-Elizabeth-line.pdfGiven that there are many more spray concrete lined tunnels in this country built since, it’s safe to say they have been.
Sprayed concrete linings have been used extensively on the £14·8 billion Crossrail project to deliver the Elizabeth line east west across London, in particular at the central stations along the route. The technique is ideally suited to the construction of short tunnel drives with varying cross-sections, as well as the large number of tunnel junctions with non-standard and complex geometries and alignments.
Should start 12th Feb (first loaded).Already in the timetable for May, I doubt you will see more than one or two of those run.
www.hs2.org.uk
“The spatial design is virtually agreed between all the parties … [It] will leave space for more because it’s inconceivable that we would build this railway at this level of expense without filling it full of trains to go everywhere in Britain.”
I’ve long beleived we are in for a penny and in for a pound on this now. I’d give it a year before the line to Crewe is reinstated and there will be renewed talk of the Leeds spur before long too.Guardian article carrying this very interesting quote from Rail Minister Lord Hendy, speaking about the new design for Euston and the number of high speed platforms envisaged for the new station
Has the land in Leeds been sold/freed for development yet? I can see the first part, the East Midlands spur being brought back in.I’ve long beleived we are in for a penny and in for a pound on this now. I’d give it a year before the line to Crewe is reinstated and there will be renewed talk of the Leeds spur before long too.