GWR to use Euston

[D9006]

Just read in media . GWR planning on diverting 2 trains an hour into Paddington during blockade at old oak common. It's says also they have been running test trains . It's say it will only be an extra https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tra...wales-hs2-delays-old-oak-common-b1167168.html running time

 

[Whistler40145]

Are they being diverted from Acton Main Line to Willesden?

 

[jfollows]

See https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/gwr-waterloo-and-euston.264545/

Test trains ran in March

 

[D9006]

See https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/gwr-waterloo-and-euston.264545/

Test trains ran in March

Thanks for that

 

[irish_rail]

Surprise surprise its the Bristols and the south wales that get direct Londons, whilst the south west has to make do with Reading with our passengers have to change onto already full and standing trains from those places just to get into London. Hs2, the gift that keeps giving...

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

Surprise surprise its the Bristols and the south wales that get direct Londons, whilst the south west has to make do with Reading with our passengers have to change onto already full and standing trains from those places just to get into London. Hs2, the gift that keeps giving...

Are you sure about that? I’d heard it’s 1tph Euston-Swansea via Bristol and 1tph Euston-Plymouth. This might have changed though.

Incidentally just typing those routes felt bizarre!

 

[Wolfie]

A whole new group of passengers to experience the "delights" of train boarding at Euston.....

 

[Sly Old Fox]

Surprise surprise its the Bristols and the south wales that get direct Londons, whilst the south west has to make do with Reading with our passengers have to change onto already full and standing trains from those places just to get into London. Hs2, the gift that keeps giving...

I don’t think that’s correct. One Swansea and one Plymouth per hour.

 

[lachlan]

Are you sure about that? I’d heard it’s 1tph Euston-Swansea via Bristol and 1tph Euston-Plymouth. This might have changed though.

Incidentally just typing those routes felt bizarre!

Euston-Swansea via Bristol - presume that's Bristol Parkway?

I'm surprised it's only 2 trains per hour - so would the majority of trains be terminating at Reading?

 

[jfollows]

Euston-Swansea via Bristol - presume that's Bristol Parkway?

I'm surprised it's only 2 trains per hour - so would the majority of trains be terminating at Reading?

I imagine the WCML can only just accommodate even 2 trains per hour, the slow junctions at Willesden are discussed in the thread I linked to earlier and the WCML normal timetable is designed around no such conflicting movements.
See https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/gwr-waterloo-and-euston.264545/page-3#post-6783592 for example.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Presumably the normal WCMLs can use the slows during the reduced Christmas period, leaving some fast capacity to the GWRs.
Also presumably the GWR 80x will run into Euston on diesel and then stable on electric to minimise emissions in the shed.
Euston-Bristol was of course part of the original L&B/GWR intention until GWR decided to build their own terminus at Paddington.
And we will have a GWR service using the Fast line rather than the Main line.

 

[The exile]

Euston-Swansea via Bristol - presume that's Bristol Parkway?

Not necessarily - combining S Wales and Bath services has been done before.

 

[Russel]

Just out of interest, why Euston?

I know they've used Waterloo in the past and I'm sure I remember them using Marleybone too?

 

[Spaceship323]

The link to the evening standard article (post#1) explains that it is 1/2 hour quicker to go into Euston

 

[Chiltern006]

I don’t believe IETs are cleared to Marylebone either

 

[Snow1964]

Surprise surprise its the Bristols and the south wales that get direct Londons, whilst the south west has to make do with Reading with our passengers have to change onto already full and standing trains from those places just to get into London. Hs2, the gift that keeps giving...

I don't know if it is still the case, but I am sure at least 6 (might be 7) platforms at Euston are at least 330m.

Fairly sure some platforms at Reading are fairly long too.

So if I have remembered lengths correctly, in theory (but probably won't happen in practice), could couple a 9car and 5car and have two trains combined for the 2 trains per hour to increase capacity, rather than just running a limited capacity 9car. (Bearing in mind each train east of Reading might be taking 3 or 4 trainloads of passengers.

 

[jfollows]

I don't know if it is still the case, but I am sure at least 6 (might be 7) platforms at Euston are at least 330m.

Euston platform lengths at https://sacuksprodnrdigital0001.blo...tern (South) Sectional Appendix June 2024.pdf

Platforms 1, 2, 15, 16 > 330m

 

[The Planner]

Surprise surprise its the Bristols and the south wales that get direct Londons, whilst the south west has to make do with Reading with our passengers have to change onto already full and standing trains from those places just to get into London. Hs2, the gift that keeps giving...

Blame your management then, they chose the services they wanted to go to Euston, no one else. The SW isnt losing out.

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I don't know if it is still the case, but I am sure at least 6 (might be 7) platforms at Euston are at least 330m.

Fairly sure some platforms at Reading are fairly long too.

So if I have remembered lengths correctly, in theory (but probably won't happen in practice), could couple a 9car and 5car and have two trains combined for the 2 trains per hour to increase capacity, rather than just running a limited capacity 9car. (Bearing in mind each train east of Reading might be taking 3 or 4 trainloads of passengers.

That won't be happening.

 

[Sun Chariot]

That article mentions: "...GWR believes Euston offers a better alternative than Waterloo for its inter-city services — including the Night Riviera sleeper train"

An opportunity to photograph the Caledonian and the Riviera sleepers together?

 

[FGW_DID]

That article mentions: "...GWR believes Euston offers a better alternative than Waterloo for its inter-city services — including the Night Riviera sleeper train"

An opportunity to photograph the Caledonian and the Riviera sleepers together?

Test run for the Night Riviera stock this Sunday (30/06):

Realtime Trains | 5Z40 1107 Reading Traincare Depot to London Euston | 30/06/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Z40 1107 departure from Reading Traincare Depot to London Euston on 30/06/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Realtime Trains | 5Z42 1536 London Euston to Reading Traincare Depot | 30/06/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Z42 1536 departure from London Euston to Reading Traincare Depot on 30/06/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[Nippy]

That article mentions: "...GWR believes Euston offers a better alternative than Waterloo for its inter-city services — including the Night Riviera sleeper train"

An opportunity to photograph the Caledonian and the Riviera sleepers together?

I’m sure that could be arranged.

 

[Trainguy34]

I’m sure that could be arranged.

Well if the Night Riviera is using 16 in the mornings and the Highland Sleeper is on 15 as scheduled then...

EDIT: Looks like the Highland is due in at 8 and at the moment, the Night Riviera leaves PAD to Reading Depot at 7:33 so maybe not but hey, you never know!

 

[norbitonflyer]

When will public services be routed that way? (So we can ride the rare track)

 

[yorksrob]

Weren't GWR planning to do this anyway ? (In the 1840's)

 

[The Planner]

When will public services be routed that way? (So we can ride the rare track)

14th November, 27-29th December. I wouldnt expect them to stop at Reading, so tickets from Swindon probably.

 

[norbitonflyer]

14th November, 27-29th December. I wouldnt expect them to stop at Reading, so tickets from Swindon probably.

Do you mean 14th November - a Thursday?

 

[74A]

I don’t believe IETs are cleared to Marylebone either

There is no point running IET's to Marylebone. 9/10 are too long and 5 cars don't provide enough capacity and would be a waste of a path.

 

[The Planner]

Do you mean 14th November - a Thursday?

Fat fingers, Sunday 17th.

 

[Halish Railway]

There is no point running IET's to Marylebone. 9/10 are too long and 5 cars don't provide enough capacity and would be a waste of a path.

I believe the idea is/was to have the Cotswold line services run into Marylebone, using the Chiltern Mainline and reversing at Oxford. These services would be worked by 5 carriage units given that not too much capacity will be necessary.

 

[brad465]

14th November, 27-29th December. I wouldnt expect them to stop at Reading, so tickets from Swindon probably.

Fat fingers, Sunday 17th.

I confess I was expecting a longer date range than that (I know it's technically 5 days of works as nothing runs on the 2 bank holidays).