GWR operating short 'HSTGTi' sets (see diagrams section for workings)

[mic505]

Are the XC conversions completed or undergoing extensive testing?

 

[brel york]

Lol really !

 

[mic505]

Can you give me update then? All XC sets are planned to be done by May 2018.

 

[brel york]

All I can say is it’s behind schedule

 

[brel york]

First rake of gwr may be ready by end of jan

 

[Bletchleyite]

Look a bit like Pullman doors

The small door window reminds me of the Hyundai-Rotem stock built for the State Railways of Thailand:

 

[brel york]

Yeah but that door opens on out side , this slots inside like a bi parting door on mk3 mu stock

 

[brel york]

I’m hearing that rake 3 is been sent up from gwr , they want it off their books

 

[mic505]

Then i would assume GWR & Scotrail rakes are being done now, due to difficulties with the XC rakes.

 

[brel york]

All three types are been done at same time , it’s just behind

 

[The Ham]

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That looks like you didn't quite manage to do that me taking a photo of you take a photo of me thing.

In seriousness though, thanks for the photo.

 

[superalbs]

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y10044/2017/12/11/advanced

Possible returning short-set?

 

[BestWestern]

Your right I’ve looked this morning , the pic I have shows a gwr coloured door on a xc unit , I presume a trail fit

That is surely a GWR door on a GWR unit? Or are you referring to a different photo!?

 

[bnsf734]

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y10044/2017/12/11/advanced

Possible returning short-set?

That looks like a path put in for returning sets every day (M-F) until May 2018. Suggest most days it will be cancelled.

 

[brel york]

That is surely a GWR door on a GWR unit? Or are you referring to a different photo!?

That one is but the first pic I put up was a gwr door on an xct

 

[50031]

Not sure if this has been answered before, but I am interested to know if a returning HST GTi is cleared for 125mph running with only 4 coaches ?

 

[Mintona]

No, there’s not enough brake force for the lengths of the signal sections.

 

[50031]

No, there’s not enough brake force for the lengths of the signal sections.

Thanks. I thought that might be the case.

 

[rebmcr]

No, there’s not enough brake force for the lengths of the signal sections.

Is there any information available about how that is calculated?

 

[daikilo]

Is there any information available about how that is calculated?

Every (braked) vehichle has an established brake force which in turn is used to assess the maximum speed capability with different signal spacing. I can't now remember which document it is held in. For info, an HST 2+5 is OK for 125mph.

 

[brel york]

List of returning short hst

 

[CapitalStar378]

Are the interiors being upgraded at all? I'm specifically thinking about the awful high density carriages which have 2 tables in each. There will surely be room to add some tables back in?

 

[brel york]

I’ll check the seating plans tomorrow

 

[159220]

I’ll check the seating plans tomorrow

Hello, did you check the seating plans for the GWR Mk3s?

 

[brel york]

There losing some in the catering car but nothing else changes much

 

[D2007wsm]

Hopefully the seating will be altered to be of a similar layout to the 158s, extra seating will allready be provided in extra carriages (4 vs 2 or 3). I don't have a problem with the HSTs as they are, there is plenty of room even in the current layout. However, lots of families from my local station travel for leisure purposes so extra tables would be advantageous for these. It is just a shame rather than a Trailer Standard at the end of the train, a Miniature Buffet isn't being retained. aim sure the demand is there and would be better than a trolley.

 

[Envoy]

Well, if they can’t do 125mph with 4 coaches but can with 5, why not make them 5 coach sets?

Surely, it would have been best if the ex GWR HST’s had gone to XC where they could perhaps have been 6 or 7 coach sets and the 4 coach XC Voyagers had gone to Scotland or to GWR?

 

[83G/84D]

Summer timetable uploaded into TRUST apparently has the summer saturdays ‘vegex’ shown as loco-hauled.

 

[jimm]

Well, if they can’t do 125mph with 4 coaches but can with 5, why not make them 5 coach sets?

Surely, it would have been best if the ex GWR HST’s had gone to XC where they could perhaps have been 6 or 7 coach sets and the 4 coach XC Voyagers had gone to Scotland or to GWR?

Perhaps because there is no 125mph track anywhere that the GWR short sets will operate.

I have a funny feeling that Scotrail and GWR would have declined the chance to acquire 4-car Voyagers...

 

[47802]

Hopefully the seating will be altered to be of a similar layout to the 158s, extra seating will allready be provided in extra carriages (4 vs 2 or 3). I don't have a problem with the HSTs as they are, there is plenty of room even in the current layout. However, lots of families from my local station travel for leisure purposes so extra tables would be advantageous for these. It is just a shame rather than a Trailer Standard at the end of the train, a Miniature Buffet isn't being retained. aim sure the demand is there and would be better than a trolley.

If they are good enough to work services out of London with the current layout why would they alter the seating for a service that is essentially a sprinter substitute stopping service, similarly why do they need a miniature Buffet when the sprinter fleet doesn't have this.