That would of been 800016 on its delivery run from Hitachi Aycliffe - Doncaster IEP depot.
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That would of been 800016 on its delivery run from Hitachi Aycliffe - Doncaster IEP depot.
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swrailuser
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With The current position of the electrification of the GWML these new trains for the cardiff swansea route will spend about 50% of their time underperforming whilst in diesel mode ( a noisy 95 mph max) and those who will be on the 802's will have to suffer this for up to 80% of their journey as the wires run out at newbury just around 50 miles from paddington and the train will never exceed the HST in quietness at your seat when compared to XC,class800/802 and 159's
I feel as though:
- "underperforming"
- "noisy"
- "95 mph max"
- "never exceed the HST in quietness"
leomartin125
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Just seen a few photos showing 800005 and 800006 working 5X85 Stoke Gifford to stoke Gifford yesterday evening, with the first run up to Oxford and up the Cotswold line to Worcester.
RTT link:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00417/2017/07/19/advanced
RTT link:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00417/2017/07/19/advanced
ExTankieAaron
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-I can assure you 80x's are faster than 95mph in diesel!
-HST are loco hauled so no nothing will be as quiet but the 80x's are very close second!!
-HST are loco hauled so no nothing will be as quiet but the 80x's are very close second!!
Well now that it will have to be diesel operation between Cardiff and Swansea, they'll be getting plenty of use in this mode!
Is there a link to the photos?
Another Cotswold Line visit is planned for tonight, this time on a magical mystery tour from Stoke Gifford to Stoke Gifford via Cheltenham, Worcester, Oxford, Reading, Westbury, Trowbridge, Bradford-on-Avon and Bath.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00418/2017/07/20/advanced
PreciousPasta
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Another Test Run today, North Pole IEP to Paddington, Paddington to Tiverton Loop, Tiverton Loop to Paddington, Paddington to North Pole IEP.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00382/2017/07/20/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00379/2017/07/20/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00392/2017/07/20/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00380/2017/07/20/advanced
Anyone know why it's been split into four different stages as opposed to one long stage? I suppose it's for flexibility reasons?
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00382/2017/07/20/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00379/2017/07/20/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00392/2017/07/20/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00380/2017/07/20/advanced
Anyone know why it's been split into four different stages as opposed to one long stage? I suppose it's for flexibility reasons?
Couple of pictures from Worcester Shrub Hill last night, taken by Steve Widdowson
https://www.flickr.com/photos/149822823@N04/36036277775/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/149822823@N04/35646693120/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/149822823@N04/36036277775/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/149822823@N04/35646693120/
Doesn't look like its happening.
Tonight's magical mystery tour is a runner. Right time arriving at Ashchurch for Tewkesbury.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00418/2017/07/20/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00418/2017/07/20/advanced
I have to say one thing about the new Hitachi Class 800 et all. The design of these new trains has had some thought put into them as they are a nice looking passenger train that is state of the art. As long as the toilets do not pose a foul sewage smell to the whole carriage or in some cases. The whole train consist. I will be perfectly fine with that as the 220/221's suffer from this problem and to be honest, that is the reason why I try my best to avoid them if I can do so 
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I personally will be looking forward to riding these brand new trains next year and to be honest. It is one of the modern era trains that isn't ugly in my opinion. So I am giving the designers at Hitachi a big thumbs up already. I would have like Hitachi to have used the Cummins QSK19's for diesel mode. But MTU's will do the job reasonable well.
I am hoping that we won't hear that mind numbing drone on those train when going on a long haul trip like you hear on the 158's between Liverpool and Norwich.
Just a question here. Would anyone know if East Midlands Trains are getting any of those new trains in the future? As I think some of these trains would look great in the East Midlands Trains colours.
.I personally will be looking forward to riding these brand new trains next year and to be honest. It is one of the modern era trains that isn't ugly in my opinion. So I am giving the designers at Hitachi a big thumbs up already. I would have like Hitachi to have used the Cummins QSK19's for diesel mode. But MTU's will do the job reasonable well.
I am hoping that we won't hear that mind numbing drone on those train when going on a long haul trip like you hear on the 158's between Liverpool and Norwich.
Just a question here. Would anyone know if East Midlands Trains are getting any of those new trains in the future? As I think some of these trains would look great in the East Midlands Trains colours
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LNW-GW Joint
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Just a question here. Would anyone know if East Midlands Trains are getting any of those new trains in the future? As I think some of these trains would look great in the East Midlands Trains colours
The MML announcement commits the next franchise to order new bi-modes by 2022.
Stagecoach would have to win the franchise again for the present livery to continue.
ExTankieAaron
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What the advantage be if they were Cummins engines?
Thanks for the explination on that mate and I hope that Stagecoach will bid and win it again as they have done a better job than the previous bidder in my opinion.
Cummins is a popular world engine maker and most of their diesel engines have amazing reliability. If the 4BT and the 6BT is anything to go by
. The ISC's are mostly okay too.samuelmorris
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From what I hear on these forums the QSK is pretty much unloved as far as reliability, noise and fuel consumption are concerned. However, the fact that it was used by all three DMU manufacturers in the UK in the early 2000s suggests it may have been the only design to meet emissions requirements. As far as I'm aware, it doesn't meet the current regulations so is not an option anyway.
Indeed. Perhaps those advocating the use of Cummins engines should start here:
https://cumminsengines.com/showcase.aspx?Filters=0&Categories=48
TT-ONR-NRN
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Does anyone else agree with me though that the First Class looks a massive downgrade from the current luxury of VTEC's leather first class?
swt_passenger
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Of course in theory they probably don't have to be Hitachi IEP spin offs...
No VTEC sets have been in traffic yet, so insufficient data to base an opinion on.
Any trains seen all have the GWR spec as defined by the DFT, this includes both 801 5 car sets which are for virgin currently at Doncaster.
TT-ONR-NRN
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So what does a photo of a 3 year-old mock-up prove?
That is Hitachi's mock up, however the seats, with the exception of the coloured head rest do more or less look like the seats currently fitted in the GWR trains as specified by the department for transport.
The arm rests are not that colour though.
I wouldn't take that image as gospel mate. Its just an impression of how the train "might" look. The final product will likely be different.
Exactly because from what I have observed in many cases is that the final product is a lot different to the "proposed" train at the beginning. A prime example was the IEP was an integrated bi-mode locomotive with a fixed rake of coaches and a driving saloon and trains that made up the rest of the train. The actual train is very different as it is a bi-mode passenger train with underfloor diesel engines and pantographs on the roof on the end driving trailers. So more passenger space and seating in place of a locomotive
.Bletchleyite
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I believe the mockup is correct. The seats appear to be similar to the TPE First Class seats, which by all accounts I find quite comfortable.
The Standard seats are in my experience (they are the same ones that were in the ScotRail AT200 mockup as 1st) are not quite as nice, but haters of high-backed seats will approve, the backs are quite low, about the same as original Class 158 seats if I recall.
The Standard seats are in my experience (they are the same ones that were in the ScotRail AT200 mockup as 1st) are not quite as nice, but haters of high-backed seats will approve, the backs are quite low, about the same as original Class 158 seats if I recall.
800006 passing Gloucester on its way from Stoke Gifford to Worcester last night. Video shot by Mark Appleby.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tDdINbnh0A
And pictured further on in its journey at Charlbury station at about 23.30
http://www.charlbury.info/news/2150
There are pictures online of actual interiors on 800s, which are almost unchanged from the design studio mock-up, e.g.
http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=10150.735
http://www.mynewsdesk.com/uk/hitach...at-north-pole-train-maintenance-centre-499060
Having had a look inside when an 800 stopped right in front of me on a trial run this week, there looks to be plenty of legroom and the seats look similar in design to the current GWR HST interiors. No idea what they are like to sit in, as I haven't actually sat in one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tDdINbnh0A
And pictured further on in its journey at Charlbury station at about 23.30
http://www.charlbury.info/news/2150
There are pictures online of actual interiors on 800s, which are almost unchanged from the design studio mock-up, e.g.
http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=10150.735
http://www.mynewsdesk.com/uk/hitach...at-north-pole-train-maintenance-centre-499060
Having had a look inside when an 800 stopped right in front of me on a trial run this week, there looks to be plenty of legroom and the seats look similar in design to the current GWR HST interiors. No idea what they are like to sit in, as I haven't actually sat in one.
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leomartin125
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The standard class seats are alright, being lucky enough to sit in one at Newton Aycliffe a few weeks back. The charging ports are pretty much the same as a MK3, but there is a tad more legroom, about the same as the priority access seats in the GWR MK3's. There is more room overhead, and I'm 6 ft exactly and can walk fine through the carriages. As for 1st Class, it looks very similar to standard (sadly) and could really do with better seats, especially since the price difference between standard and 1st is huge, and I wouldn't say it's worth it for what I looks like.
Only an artist impression, but there's has not publically been decided yet.
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