Guards location for working on Southern 377's Vs SET 377's

[Galvanize]

I've travelled on a 375 between Charing Cross and London Bridge where the guard has worked from the rear carriage using the final set of passenger doors.

I've also noticed that some Southeastern guards on this stretch have sat down in a passenger seat for this final stretch of the journey.

The conductor doesn't dispatch in the London area on Southeastern services, everything is dispatched as if its a DOO service, between Charing Cross/Cannon Street and Sevenoaks (inclusive), or between Victoria/Blackfriars and Swanley/Otford.

 

[bronzeonion]

10 bells. The guard is not actually closing the doors, he/she is just giving the 1-2 bell code to tell the driver to close the doors. Driver repeats 1-2 back and closes the doors, guard gives 2 when all doors are shut and the train is ready to leave, driver gives 2 back. And off we jolly well go.

3+3+2+2=10.

Oh right I see. That's crazy! Who's smart idea was it not to wire them up?

 

[MK Tom]

Regarding the first class doors on 377s, I'm sure I've been on units that had a door at one end but not at the other... (as in the two FC sections at either end of the train)

 

[tsr]

Regarding the first class doors on 377s, I'm sure I've been on units that had a door at one end but not at the other... (as in the two FC sections at either end of the train)

I believe you may be thinking of 377/3s, which have FC at one end and not the other (otherwise FC provision would be out of proportion).

 

[Galvanize]

It gets more confusing when certain Southern services are worked by Southeastern crews the conductors generally don't work from the cab, as their not familliar with the 10 bell system!

There are also certain stations where the conductor has to be in a certain position to be able to see the length of the train, for example Coulsdon South or Merstham where the platforms are slightly curved, the conductor needs to be in the 6th or 7th coach if working a 12 car train.

 

[island]

The conductor doesn't dispatch in the London area on Southeastern services, everything is dispatched as if its a DOO service, between Charing Cross/Cannon Street and Sevenoaks (inclusive), or between Victoria/Blackfriars and Swanley/Otford.

That answers a question I had but had never gotten around to posting, which was how did the guard see the CD/RA indicator at London Bridge.

 

[Galvanize]

That answers a question I had but had never gotten around to posting, which was how did the guard see the CD/RA indicator at London Bridge.

Its CD/RA dispatch for all services at Charing Cross, Cannon Street, Victoria (Eastern), London Bridge (Eastern), Waterloo East is CD/RA on Platforms B and C only, Platforms A and D use DOO monitors, Bromley South, St Mary Cray, Orpington and Sevenoaks is "Bat and Flag" dispatch in the driver's window, Swanley and Otford use DOO monitors.

Not sure how long that arrangement has gone on for, possibly since the days of government run SET. Some guards do remember dispatching 375s in the London area when they first came out though.

Chiltern use CD/RA dispatch for their loco hauled sets, the guard stands on the platform and looks out for the CD light, then closes/locks the doors (depending if its slam door or plug door mk3s), steps back inside the DVT, gives a handsignal back to the platform staff, who gives RA to the driver!

 

[transportphoto]

Chiltern use CD/RA dispatch for their loco hauled sets, the guard stands on the platform and looks out for the CD light, then closes/locks the doors (depending if its slam door or plug door mk3s), steps back inside the DVT, gives a handsignal back to the platform staff, who gives RA to the driver!

This is similar to the dispatch method employed by GA at Liverpool Street for their mainline sets, except the CD isn't used.

TP

 

[user15681]

Back to the OP. Most of the times I have been on a Southeastern 375 the guard has walked through the train checking tickets and then used the panel by the doors. They normally do it, but can be lacking. However, normally on the last few trains of the night, there is pretty much no visible guard, so I would assume they are in the cab at the rear. I very often catch the last train around midnight and whilst the guard makes announcements, and sometimes rarely even walks through the train, they have never checked my ticket.