Formula 1

[Darandio]

Still better than david croft.

As long as Jonathan Legard doesn't find his way into that Channel 4 seat then i'm happy.

 

[PG]

As long as Jonathan Legard doesn't find his way into that Channel 4 seat then i'm happy.

Has Toto confirmed staying on at Merc? Maybe C4 will have him in place of Ben next year

 

[Strat-tastic]

Maybe the next person will know how to round numbers.

 

[RichT54]

Stroll on pole

 

[Peregrine 4903]

And Hamilton 6th and Bottas 9th, wow, this race has the potential to be insane.

 

[Domh245]

Well that was a truly brilliant race
Bravo Lewis

 

[Peregrine 4903]

Hamilton is just too good.

Also utterly brilliant drives from Perez and Vettel. Perez really deserves a seat at a top car next year.

That Stroll pit stop call was one of the worst I have ever seen.

And Bottas was utterly abysmal.

 

[PaulMc7]

If Perez doesn't take Albon's seat I'd be amazed tbh. Far too good of a driver to not be in F1

 

[D365]

Hamilton is just too good.

Hamilton has to be a genuine contender for greatest driver of all time. Not only for his ability but the manner in which he has truly transcended the sport on a human level. Only Schumacher and (moreover) Senna could hold a candle to Hamilton in that regard.

 

[Bald Rick]

Hamilton has to be a genuine contender for greatest driver of all time. Not only for his ability but the manner in which he has truly transcended the sport on a human level. Only Schumacher and (moreover) Senna could hold a candle to Hamilton in that regard.

No doubt in my mind that he is the greatest F1 driver of all time, and arguably the greatest sportsman of all time.

 

[nlogax]

Listened to the GP while driving yesterday - even on the radio it was obvious the weather was trolling the teams and Pirelli. Hugely exciting and a fantastic race for Hamilton who didn't really seem in the running during the early stages.

I can't think of anyone who's done more for F1 in modern times than Hamilton. Incredible driver and the sort of ambassador the sport truly needed. My guess is he'll go for one more season and then exit stage-left.

 

[LOL The Irony]

Lewis is the best of his era and currently on course to be the GOAT, however he still has a way to go before he gets to Jim Clark levels.

Perez really deserves a seat at a top car next year.

If Perez doesn't take Albon's seat I'd be amazed tbh. Far too good of a driver to not be in F1

Agreed. He deserves a top drive and red bull would be stupid to turn down his talent and sponsor money. I also think there's merit behind the 'Albon only has a drive because of his passport' theory as he's Thai and red bull (well Krating Daeng) is from Thailand. However his fate was probably sealed after his "They race me so hard" comments at the Eifel GP.

 

[Geezertronic]

That Stroll pit stop call was one of the worst I have ever seen.

Not really as Stroll had not looked to manage his Intermediate tyres as good as Hamilton & Perez and was losing a lot of time, and IMO even if he had kept track position he would have still ended up behind Vettel & LeClerc had he not pitted.

 

[GB]

Listened to the GP while driving yesterday - even on the radio it was obvious the weather was trolling the teams and Pirelli. Hugely exciting and a fantastic race for Hamilton who didn't really seem in the running during the early stages.

I can't think of anyone who's done more for F1 in modern times than Hamilton. Incredible driver and the sort of ambassador the sport truly needed. My guess is he'll go for one more season and then exit stage-left.

Other than continue to win championships, what exactly has he done for F1 and what makes him an ambassador??

 

[nlogax]

Other than continue to win championships, what exactly has he done for F1 and what makes him an ambassador??

From his ascendance from go-karts to F1 which has inspired thousands to join motorsport, to being F1's only black driver - and using that as a platform to campaign for BLM, to becoming a UN ambassador and advocate for the widespread availability of education, to helping move motor-racing to a more carbon-neutral footing by forming his own X44 team in the Extreme E program. And he's also a bloody good driver who happens to have a consistent knack of winning world championships.

Do your research.

 

[RichT54]

From his ascendance from go-karts to F1 which has inspired thousands to join motorsport, to being F1's only black driver - and using that as a platform to campaign for BLM, to becoming a UN ambassador and advocate for the widespread availability of education, to helping move motor-racing to a more carbon-neutral footing by forming his own X44 team in the Extreme E program. And he's also a bloody good driver who happens to have a consistent knack of winning world championships.

Do your research.

I would also say he has shown you can be a world champion without having to resort to dirty tricks; plus he has been honest and admitted when he has made mistakes.

 

[SuspectUsual]

From his ascendance from go-karts to F1 which has inspired thousands to join motorsport, to being F1's only black driver - and using that as a platform to campaign for BLM, to becoming a UN ambassador and advocate for the widespread availability of education, to helping move motor-racing to a more carbon-neutral footing by forming his own X44 team in the Extreme E program. And he's also a bloody good driver who happens to have a consistent knack of winning world championships.

Cant really argue with any of that, but I do take issue with him exhorting us to give to children in need when he’s a tax exile

 

[nlogax]

Cant really argue with any of that, but I do take issue with him exhorting us to give to children in need when he’s a tax exile

You're right there. If I do have an issue with Hamilton - and other Monaco-based drivers - it's that. F1 is rife with it and really needs to up its game in that respect.

 

[GB]

Do your research.

I asked a simple question, you have put forward your argument but there was no need to be bitchy about it at the end there.

 

[nlogax]

I asked a simple question, you have put forward your argument but there was no need to be bitchy about it at the end there.

Double question marks at the end of your question were quite telling..

 

[37424]

Well some people

Cant really argue with any of that, but I do take issue with him exhorting us to give to children in need when he’s a tax exile

My understanding of it is that being contracted to a British based company he does pay significant Income Tax in the UK, and frankly if I had his money I probably wouldn't live in the UK most of the time either.

 

[Peregrine 4903]

Hamilton has to be a genuine contender for greatest driver of all time. Not only for his ability but the manner in which he has truly transcended the sport on a human level. Only Schumacher and (moreover) Senna could hold a candle to Hamilton in that regard.

I 100% agree.

The only thing I will say is that I think Prost should be up there with those 4. I think of all the greatest drivers Prost is arguably the most underated and is in with a strong shout of claiming he is the GOAT.

 

[D365]

I 100% agree.

The only thing I will say is that I think Prost should be up there with those 4. I think of all the greatest drivers Prost is arguably the most underated and is in with a strong shout of claiming he is the GOAT.

I'd definitely put Prost as one of the greatest, but the three names I mentioned were/are drivers whose names are, for better and for worse, more iconic than the Formula One name itself.

Outside of motorsport circles, Prost is rarely mentioned without Senna, unfair as it is. Senna is an icon in his own right for the humanitarian work that he was involved in in Brazil.

 

[Peregrine 4903]

I'd definitely put Prost as one of the greatest, but the three names I mentioned were/are drivers whose names are, for better and for worse, more iconic than the Formula One name itself.

Outside of motorsport circles, Prost is rarely mentioned without Senna, unfair as it is. Senna is an icon in his own right for the humanitarian work that he was involved in in Brazil.

Yeah your definetely right. Its such a shame that Prost has almost been forgotten about. Senna, Schumacher and Hamilton transcend the sport like no one else.

The only thing I will say with Senna is that I feel like his tragic death is what made him reach that transcending sport status.

 

[Darandio]

The only thing I will say with Senna is that I feel like his tragic death is what made him reach that transcending sport status.

Well of course, but if his tragic death hadn't happened i'm certain we'd still be talking about him in a similar manner for his incredible charity work. Then there would undoubtedly have been many more on track achievements, as great as he also was i'm pretty certain Schumacher wouldn't have got to 7 titles if Senna had still been around.

 

[DarloRich]

No doubt in my mind that he is the greatest F1 driver of all time, and arguably the greatest sportsman of all time.

Juan Manuel Fangio, Jim Clark, Stirling Moss, Niki Lauda, Alain Prost, Ayrton Senna & Michael Schumacher might have something to say about that!

I also think there's merit behind the 'Albon only has a drive because of his passport' theory as he's Thai and red bull (well Krating Daeng) is from Thailand. However his fate was probably sealed after his "They race me so hard" comments at the Eifel GP.

Not sure about that. He looked fast and racy last year. I think the pressure of being in a big team has proved too much for him along with trying to drive a car that doesn't work with his driving style but instead is all about the style used by Max Verstappen. He is a gonna.

I would also say he has shown you can be a world champion without having to resort to dirty tricks; plus he has been honest and admitted when he has made mistakes.

There are ALWAYS dirty tricks in F1. I suppose they are only classed as cheating when caught

 

[Peregrine 4903]

Well of course, but if his tragic death hadn't happened i'm certain we'd still be talking about him in a similar manner for his incredible charity work. Then there would undoubtedly have been many more on track achievements, as great as he also was i'm pretty certain Schumacher wouldn't have got to 7 titles if Senna had still been around.

Although I think if Senna hadn't died he would be openly more criticised like Schumacher for some of his dirty antics, paritcularly crashing Prost off at Suzaka in 1990, which I think was worse than anything Schumacher ever did. Still I think he may have transcended the sport anyway, as he had that certain something about him, charisma, exciting driving style and his charity work; like Hamilton and Schumacher have, and someone like Prost didn't have, being more catious.

In regards to championships, I don't think thats a given. Senna was 34 when he died, meaning he doesn't have ages left at the top of F1 if he survived. I reckon he had a very good chance of winning 1994 against Schumacher as Hill did nearly beat him. But Hill seemed to have got a better grip of the car in the first 3 races than Senna, not very conclusive I know and its likely once Williams got the hang of things Senna would have started to dominate. Still the only reason why the championship was that close that year in the first place was because Schumacher got disqualified for 3 races.

The other issue Senna will have is Frank Williams not being very loyal to his drivers, and happily ditching them for the next big thing, like he did with Mansell.

 

[Westcountryman]

Juan Manuel Fangio, Jim Clark, Stirling Moss, Niki Lauda, Alain Prost, Ayrton Senna & Michael Schumacher might have something to say about that!



Not sure about that. He looked fast and racy last year. I think the pressure of being in a big team has proved too much for him along with trying to drive a car that doesn't work with his driving style but instead is all about the style used by Max Verstappen. He is a gonna.


There are ALWAYS dirty tricks in F1. I suppose they are only classed as cheating when caught

I seem to recall a situation where one driver who was in contention with another driver but was ahead of him, decided to deliberately take the other out so neither scored and the first driver won. Or have I misremembered?

 

[birchesgreen]

It would be interesting to see how successful some of the greats of the past would have been in cars as reliable and safe as they are nowadays.

 

[DarloRich]

I seem to recall a situation where one driver who was in contention with another driver but was ahead of him, decided to deliberately take the other out so neither scored and the first driver won. Or have I misremembered?

That's Schumacher. German. Professional. Focused. Winner. Cheat. Winner x many.

( Poor bloke)