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Who are they playing?
Answered my own question - The North @ Goodison.

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Answered my own question - The North @ Goodison.
Can'tfind it on TV over here though.

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Anothèr good choice of games on TV tonight: The South v New Zealand, Wales v Turkiye, & Greece v France. After they put 14 past Gibralter last week I'll certainly see some of that game and maybe the Dublin one.
Watch the whole of the south game which finished 1 - 1 a score that flattered the hosts. The All Blacks (all whites tonight) had most of the chances, particularly in the second half and on another night would have scored a couple more.
 
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Darlington 1 v Warrington 1 - sigh. 2 critical points thrown away as Darlo surrender an equaliser right at the death. Played well, dominated the game, missed a hatful of chances, conceded a soft goal.
 

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Barnsley have been kicked out of the FA Cup after playing an ineligible player in their 1st round replay against Horsham. In the 2nd round Horsham will now play away to Sutton United.
 

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Do Horsham now receive the £41,000 FA prize money that would originally have been due to Barnsley, or do they just get the opportunity to participate in the next round?
 

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Do Horsham now receive the £41,000 FA prize money that would originally have been due to Barnsley, or do they just get the opportunity to participate in the next round?
Isn’t there winners and losers prize money for the earlier rounds, which the FA could reverse?
 

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Do Horsham now receive the £41,000 FA prize money that would originally have been due to Barnsley, or do they just get the opportunity to participate in the next round?

I think so


Isn’t there winners and losers prize money for the earlier rounds, which the FA could reverse?

No, each round has an amount of money to the winners and nowt for the losers. Horsham will have banked money for each of the previous rounds
 

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I think so




No, each round has an amount of money to the winners and nowt for the losers. Horsham will have banked money for each of the previous rounds
Not strictly true as in the six rounds leading up to the first round proper all beaten sides get prize money.
 

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Barnsley have been kicked out of the FA Cup after playing an ineligible player in their 1st round replay against Horsham.
Although not a direct comparison, I can remember a Tranmere v Sunderland FA Cup match back in the time of Peter Reid’s management. Tranmere were leading 1-0 with a few minutes to play and had a substitute ready to come on. They then had a man sent off, and as the player left the field the substitute decided to come on and the mix up was not noticed by the officials. Hence an ineligible extra man took part in the last minutes of the game but the FA decided the result could stand, and Sunderland took the decision in good grace.
 
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Barnet 1 ... Oldham Athletic 4

Shock result for second-place Barnet at home to mid-table Oldham Athletic.

And a perfect illustration of the awful standard of reffing at this level. Gives Oldham a penalty and (correctly) shows a red card to the Barnet keeper, then five seconds later reaches into his other pocket and shows him a yellow instead.
 

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So no losers prize money from the first round proper, thanks for clarifying.
Losing semi-finalists and finalists in the FA Cup also each receive a set amount of prize money (currently = £500,000 + £1,000,000 respectively), this on top of what they may have earned in getting there. Just no prize money for teams losing an FA Cup game from the First Round Proper to the Quarter-Finals (inclusive). Gate share, and TV money (if any), will of course be separate.
 

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Leyton Orient 0 Lincoln City 1 - hard luck on the Os this one. The game had been abandoned a few weeks ago in the 82nd minute so a fan could receive emergency medical attention. The Os were 1-0 up at the time.

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Barnsley have been kicked out of the FA Cup after playing an ineligible player in their 1st round replay against Horsham. In the 2nd round Horsham will now play away to Sutton United.

The FA are very inconsistent in their decisions. In 2021/22 second qualifying round, Gateshead brought on a substitute against Bradford (Park Avenue) who hadn't been named on the teamsheet. The Heed, who won 6-2, got away with a paltry fine and went on have a highly lucrative cup run including a televised visit from Charlton Athletic.

And didn't Liverpool also get away with just a fine a few years back for playing an ineligible player?
 

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The FA are very inconsistent in their decisions. In 2021/22 second qualifying round, Gateshead brought on a substitute against Bradford (Park Avenue) who hadn't been named on the teamsheet. The Heed, who won 6-2, got away with a paltry fine and went on have a highly lucrative cup run including a televised visit from Charlton Athletic.
That's not the same though - a player who is eligible but not named on the teamsheet is not the same as a player who is ineligible. The FA make several such decisions every year, mainly affecting clubs at the lower levels, and do seem to treat them fairly consistently - it looks to me that playing an ineligible player gets you thrown out, but paperwork problems with eligible players is treated more leniently.
And didn't Liverpool also get away with just a fine a few years back for playing an ineligible player?
That was in the Carabao Cup, so an EFL decision, not the FA. They were fined £200,000.
 

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Stoke manager Alex Neil offered another pearl of his football wisdom after Stoke’s 0-3 defeat by Blackburn Rovers.

“They had chances in the first half and we had chances in the first half, but the biggest difference was that they took theirs and we didn't.”
 

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After two defeats had a great win at home to Watford today. So glad Ipswitch didn't win today so we still hoping to win the Championship and get back to where we belong....
 

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Terry Venables, a former England manager dead at 80 years old.
Rest In Peace.
Terry Venables, former England manager, dies aged 80


Man who took national side to the semi-finals at Euro ’96 also managed Barcelona, Tottenham Hotspur, Crystal Palace, Middlesbrough and Leeds United after a successful playing career at Chelsea, Spurs and QPR
Terry Venables, the legendary former England, Tottenham Hotspur and Barcelona manager, has died at the age of 80 after a lengthy illness.


Venables took England to the semi-finals of the European Championships in 1996, a run he described as “my most thrilling experience in football”, memorably beating Holland 4-1 at Wembley. His reign, however, ended in tears after England were knocked out on penalties by Germany. He also ended Barcelona’s eleven-year title drought in 1985, becoming known as “El Tel” during his time in Spain, and won the FA Cup with Tottenham Hotspur in 1991.
A statement issued on behalf of Venables’ family read: “We are totally devastated by the loss of a wonderful husband and father who passed away peacefully after a long illness. We would ask that privacy be given at this incredibly sad time to allow us to mourn the loss of this lovely man who we were so lucky to have had in our lives.”


Spurs said in a statement: “The club is extremely saddened to learn of the passing of former player and manager Terry Venables. Our deepest condolences are with Terry’s friends and family at this incredibly difficult time. In tribute, we shall hold a minute’s applause prior to kick-off and our players will wear black armbands during [Sunday afternoon’s] fixture against Aston Villa. Rest in peace, Terry.”


Richard Bevan, the chief executive of the League Managers Association (LMA), added: “The LMA is deeply saddened to hear of the passing of LMA member and former LMA president Terry Venables. Our thoughts are very much with Yvette [his wife] and all of Terry’s family at this time.”


Born in Dagenham in Essex in 1943, Venables was a midfielder during his playing days, making a combined 526 appearances for clubs including Chelsea, Tottenham Hotspur and Queens Park Rangers, and earning two caps for England.


After he hung up his boots in the late 1970s he co-authored the popular detective novels Hazell with Gordon Williams, which were later turned into a successful television series by ITV.
Venables began his managerial career at Crystal Palace in 1976 and led them and QPR into the top flight. Bobby Robson, who was a good friend of the Barcelona vice-president, later recommended him for the post at the club. He led the side to the European Cup final in 1986, where they lost to Steaua București on penalties after a 0-0 draw. That year they also signed Gary Lineker from Everton and Mark Hughes from Manchester United.


Venables eventually ended his managerial career with fleeting spells at Portsmouth, Crystal Palace and Leeds United. In his final years he ran a boutique hotel and restaurant with Yvette, his wife, in Alicante.


You would not make up the career of Terry Venables. Nor should anyone try. He was a complete one-off. In assessing his life, you need to pinch yourself because he would have been quite the character even if he had never been manager of England and Barcelona, had never played football for Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur.


This is a man who, while manager of Queens Park Rangers, released a family board game. Terry Venables Invites You to Be The Manager was for 2-6 players aged 10+ and its box featured images of Paul Gascoigne and Gary Lineker, two players that were integral to his managerial journey. As he reached the end of his playing career with QPR, Venables released the first of his detective novels. Four years later, Thames Television turned his series of books about the wisecracking James Hazell into a TV series. He bought a controlling stake in Portsmouth while manager of the Australia national team, failed in his attempt to set up a west end tailors and in 1998 agreed to be disqualified from company directorships for seven years.
He was the football man who was famous among those who did not care for football. He was also one of the game’s larger than life characters who inspired loyalty but was also considered, by some critics, as overrated. What is certain though is that his appointment as England manager in 1994 was controversial and unexpected.


His financial dealings were the subject of two Panorama episodes, in 1992 and 1994, when he was accused of “unscrupulous business practices” during the takeover of Tottenham in 1991 with Alan Sugar but a document purporting to prove this was a mock-up and not actual evidence.
That he was given the England job was due in large part to Jimmy Armfield, the former England defender and beloved radio pundit. In his autobiography, Venables makes it plain he would not have been countenanced for the role had not Armfield been appointed to lead the hunt for Graham Taylor’s successor. Sir Bert Millichip, then the FA chairman, was not keen on him for the job and he had not even been interviewed four years previously when Bobby Robson left the post. Armfield spoke to a wide range of players and coaches and the overwhelming response was that Venables should be appointed. Before his formal interview, he reflected that he was on a shortlist of one and that “the only things that could prevent me from becoming the next England manager were not football matters, but the slurs, allegations and accusations levelled at my character and business dealings”.


His vow, upon taking the job was for the national team “to play in a manner that brings admiration from the public,” and that is what he achieved in England’s run at the 1996 European Championships in the sense that the 4-1 victory over Holland was achieved with a panache rarely seen since as the team seemed to relax into their responsibilities. The penalty shoot-out defeat to Germany in the semi- final was not deemed his fault but Venables had already decided to quit due to limitations placed on any contract extension.
But arguably his more compelling legacy comes from his time in charge at Barcelona, a job which earned him the nickname “El Tel” and which began with him fleeing his first night of media intrusion by leaving his hotel via a window and a fire escape and checking into another hotel under a false name.


There was much cynicism among the locals about what an English coach could possibly do for them but as soon as the results turned, promising a first league title after eleven years of disappointment, he became a popular figure. The doubters were wooed by him addressing the fans in Catalan. He was brave too. His first big call was to tell the board to sell Diego Maradona and replace him with Steve Archibald. Perhaps if that decision had backfired, Venables would not have lasted very long in Catalonia. Bringing in Gary Lineker also proved a masterstroke sealed by the striker’s hat-trick against Real Madrid in 1987.


Venables reached the final of the European Cup in 1986 and although Barcelona lost on penalties, he had proven that assumptions about the limitations of English coaches were wrong. For all the concern about his business dealings, those heady years in Spain formed the basis of his ability to be accepted as, and take on, the always tricky challenge of being England manager.
Perhaps the overwhelming wonder of Venables is his sheer irrepressibility. At times it felt as if there was nothing he would not try. He even attempted marketing a curious wig meant to keep real hair fresh for the weekend. More successful was the singing. He was a fine crooner and in 2002 reached no 46 in the charts with a World Cup record. An Elvis Presley cover did even better eight years later.


“Football is just like life,” he wrote. “You have to give it your best shot, take the best and survive the rest.”
 

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RIP Terry Venables for a long while got the best performance from an England Team until the recent tournaments. Also fondly remembered at both Barcelona & Tottenham Hotspur.
 
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I can remember seeing a slim, beatle cut Terry Venables play against Sunderland at Roker Park during his last season at Chelsea, prior to the 1966 WC. He was involved in an off ball incident with Jim Baxter just yards from where I was standing, going down in agony after Baxter kicked him hard on the knee. Baxter wasn’t even booked, but he was really pushing his luck that afternoon, as a guy known as Chopper Harris was playing at right back for Chelsea.

Rest in Pease.
 

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After two defeats had a great win at home to Watford today. So glad Ipswitch didn't win today so we still hoping to win the Championship and get back to where we belong....
Leicester City have spent more time in the second tier (63 seasons) than in the top flight (53 seasons) so it is arguable that your club is already where it belongs.

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Out of interest, here’s a link to - and screenshot of - the all time top division table since 1888.


Sheffield United and Burnley are in their rightful positions
 

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Lancaster City 2 Bradford 2 - a slightly fortuitous point as the 10 men of Lancaster narrowly failed to add to the 9 goals we have conceded already this season against short sided opposition. We have now lost 16 points from winning positions in just 18 games, two more than the 14 points we currently have.

Avenue have now gone 22 consecutive away games in the league without a away win. Just 9 points out of a possible 66. Our last triumph on foreign soil was our 3-2 win at 10-man Buxton on 3rd December 2022. This might explain why our away support is dwindling. As we are at home on Saturday, this means we will now have gone a calendar year without winning away.

Our new manager cannot come soon enough.

But even this pales into insignificance in comparison to our form in Division Four. We left the league with an unbeaten sequence of 56 FL games without an away win, our last triumph being our glorious 2-1 win at Manningham on 10 February 1968.

But one record remains intact - Bradford hold the record for the most successive home wins in the FL or PL with 25 in D3N in the 1920s. Liverpool came within a whisker of equalling it a couple of years back and, on Saturday, the Reds quashed Manchester City's hopes of reaching it. Not that anybody in the national media noticed. Football didn't exist before 1992 after all.
 

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But one record remains intact - Bradford hold the record for the most successive home wins in the FL or PL with 25 in D3N in the 1920s. Liverpool came within a whisker of equalling it a couple of years back and, on Saturday, the Reds quashed Manchester City's hopes of reaching it. Not that anybody in the national media noticed. Football didn't exist before 1992 after all.
Match of the Day did wheel out a stat on Saturday regarding quickest to scoring 50 goals which was top-flight rather than premier league. But that was mostly so Lineker could poke fun at Shearer for taking his time.
Screenshot of MOTD showing selected fast to 50 top-flight goals
 

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Leicester City have spent more time in the second tier (63 seasons) than in the top flight (53 seasons) so it is arguable that your club is already where it belongs.

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It really annoys me to hear fans say their tem "belongs" in a certain league... especially as these fans are usually backing those perennial underachievers from the banks of either the Aire or the Trent. No club "belongs" anywhere and no club has a "right" to promotions or trophies.
 

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It really annoys me to hear fans say their team "belongs" in a certain league... especially as these fans are usually backing those perennial underachievers from the banks of either the Aire or the Trent. No club "belongs" anywhere and no club has a "right" to promotions or trophies.
Or, indeed, the idea from our chairman that we "belong" in the Premiership... sure, we're the largest team in a major city, but the last time we were in the First Division was 1976-1980, having previously been in the First Division in 1911!
 

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Or, indeed, the idea from our chairman that we "belong" in the Premiership... sure, we're the largest team in a major city, but the last time we were in the First Division was 1976-1980, having previously been in the First Division in 1911!
Bristol City?

Assuming so, if your chairman said that the city of Bristol is big enough to sustain a Premier League club, I'd have no argument with that... but that's a long way from having a divine right to be there.

Being pedantic, Bristol already does have a team in the "Premiership" as that's the egg-chasing league. ;)
 

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