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Sale of Wigan Athletic has gone through, local billionaire Mike Danson who already owns 25% of Warriors (and has a buyout clause allowing him to take his ownership to 75% if he chooses to exercise it). EFL waved him through the fit and proper owner test in days.
Mike Danson founded the financial market analytics firm Datamonitor in 1989 then sold it for £513m in 2007 netting him personally £370m, after the sale he then immediately expanded his holding company GlobalData (founded in 1999) pursuing similar commercial activities as Datamonitor and following some acquisitions of rivals the company currently has a market valuation of £1.24bn. Sunday Times ranks him as the 134th richest person in the country with a personal wealth of £1.28bn. Hopefully this means less financial concerns than with the last two foreign owners.
All done and dusted within ten days... meanwhile Kevin Nagle's takeover of Huddersfield Town is apparently still awaiting the rubber stamp from the EFL despite the club being told that there are no issues of concern with regard to the Owners & Directors Test.

The squeaky wheel gets the oil, I suppose.
 
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Sale of Wigan Athletic has gone through, local billionaire Mike Danson who already owns 25% of Warriors (and has a buyout clause allowing him to take his ownership to 75% if he chooses to exercise it). EFL waved him through the fit and proper owner test in days.
Mike Danson founded the financial market analytics firm Datamonitor in 1989 then sold it for £513m in 2007 netting him personally £370m, after the sale he then immediately expanded his holding company GlobalData (founded in 1999) pursuing similar commercial activities as Datamonitor and following some acquisitions of rivals the company currently has a market valuation of £1.24bn. Sunday Times ranks him as the 134th richest person in the country with a personal wealth of £1.28bn. Hopefully this means less financial concerns than with the last two foreign owners.
Isn't the New Statesman magazine also part of his business portfolio?
 

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Yes, bought 50% in 2008 then the other 50% in 2009 from Labour MP Geoffrey Robinson who had rescued it from bankruptcy in 1996. Geoffrey Robinson incidentally has been a director of Coventry City since 1996 but had to step down for a brief period while he held a ministerial post (Paymaster General) so they made him honorary president, when he returned he became Club Chairman until 2007 stepping down again as he said the job was too time consuming (he was 69 at the time).
 

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... the general opinion in Scotland is that the Rangers 'B' and Celtic 'B' teams have leapfrogged the Scottish pyramid system by coming in at this regional level, having "bribed" Lowland League member clubs to admit them with the promise of a special one-off payment, thereby quite possibly destroying the concept of sporting integrity (i.e. promotion/relegation solely on playing merit) in the process.

Rangers FC have tonight announced that they are withdrawing their 'B' team from the season 2023-24 Scottish Lowland League competition.


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RANGERS can today announce the club will not be entering a B team in the Scottish Lowland Football League in season 2023/24 and beyond.

No doubt they'll be missed.
 

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Rangers FC have tonight announced that they are withdrawing their 'B' team from the season 2023-24 Scottish Lowland League competition.

No doubt they'll be missed.
Good. Hopefully we pull our B team out too and Hearts do the same. There should be no B teams in the pyramid.

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Can't find it just now but there was an article recently by a retired development coach in which he was adamant that participation in the Lowland League was not beneficial for the development of young players. He reckoned that the old style reserve league was a much better format for introducing younger players to the senior game. The mix of fringe players, young guys and older professionals was a much better idea.
 

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Good. Hopefully we pull our B team out too and Hearts do the same. There should be no B teams in the pyramid.
Believe that Hearts have confirmed today that they intend to continue fielding their 'B' team in the Lowland League for the time being.
 

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Can't find it just now but there was an article recently by a retired development coach in which he was adamant that participation in the Lowland League was not beneficial for the development of young players. He reckoned that the old style reserve league was a much better format for introducing younger players to the senior game. The mix of fringe players, young guys and older professionals was a much better idea.
I used to enjoy the old Pontins League for the reserve teams... remember back when we were in the third tier and had Pontins League games against the likes of Newcastle United (with Kevin Keegan in attendance) and Aston Villa who were an established top six Premiership side at the time- they even brought a few very dedicated away supporters on a Thursday night!
 

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All done and dusted within ten days... meanwhile Kevin Nagle's takeover of Huddersfield Town is apparently still awaiting the rubber stamp from the EFL despite the club being told that there are no issues of concern with regard to the Owners & Directors Test.

The squeaky wheel gets the oil, I suppose.

HMRC had lodged a winding up petition against Wigan, hearing was to be late July. Also wages weren’t being paid. The EFL couldn’t really drag their feet.

Anyway good news, the wages can be paid, taxman must have a smile on his face. Hopefully this will provide some stability.
 

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Anyway good news, the wages can be paid, taxman must have a smile on his face. Hopefully this will provide some stability.
Not only can be paid but have been paid, and the transfer embargo lifted. In terms of passing the Owners and Directors Test, I imagine that putting real money in to paying the bills counts for quite a lot.
 

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HMRC had lodged a winding up petition against Wigan, hearing was to be late July. Also wages weren’t being paid. The EFL couldn’t really drag their feet.

Anyway good news, the wages can be paid, taxman must have a smile on his face. Hopefully this will provide some stability.

Not only can be paid but have been paid, and the transfer embargo lifted. In terms of passing the Owners and Directors Test, I imagine that putting real money in to paying the bills counts for quite a lot.
Presumably there's no serious sanctions for the outgoing owners though- the ones who failed to pay their staff or the taxman?
Meanwhile Huddersfield's outgoing owner Dean Hoyle has continued to fulfill his obligations despite his failing health which is the principal reason for him selling the club... and the EFL continue to drag their feet. We got screwed last season both by some dubious calls by match day officials, and then by Carlos Corberan jumping ship two weeks before the start of the following season (and the ownership of the club he moved to certainly raised some suspicions about "tapping up")... and it looks like our preparations are being held back by the powers that be again. It seems that doing things by the book doesn't earn any brownie points. As I said, the squeaky wheel gets the oil.
 

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No, in theory if they did something really bad they could be struck off and banned from holding a company directorship in the UK again but thats about it. It does need to be addressed that the punishments available to the EFL (points deductions, transfer embargo, having a match played behind closed doors, and forcing a manager to watch from the stands) all land on the club not the owners so it does nothing to discourage bad owners.
Either they need some ability to confiscate a club wholly or partially from its owners, fine them in a way that they dont just reduce the money in the club or similar to European leagues have a right for supporters clubs to be able to buy out owners and so they can run it as a community asset.
 

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Presumably there's no serious sanctions for the outgoing owners though- the ones who failed to pay their staff or the taxman?
Meanwhile Huddersfield's outgoing owner Dean Hoyle has continued to fulfill his obligations despite his failing health which is the principal reason for him selling the club... and the EFL continue to drag their feet. We got screwed last season both by some dubious calls by match day officials, and then by Carlos Corberan jumping ship two weeks before the start of the following season (and the ownership of the club he moved to certainly raised some suspicions about "tapping up")... and it looks like our preparations are being held back by the powers that be again. It seems that doing things by the book doesn't earn any brownie points. As I said, the squeaky wheel gets the oil.
Yes we all know the EFL have their little favorites e.g. Forest Green (due to vegan agenda), Rotherham (allowed to postpone games for any reason then complain about fixture congestion), Carlisle (sympathy vote as stadium was flooded), then make examples of others.
 

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Good. Hopefully we pull our B team out too and Hearts do the same. There should be no B teams in the pyramid.

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I agree. Having had the misfortune to watch Rayo Vallecano v Atletico Madrid B in La Liga 2, Offenbach Kickers v VfB Stuttgart B and Werder Bremen B v VW Wehen in 3 Liga (plus Bayern Munich Amateurs v ASV Neumarkt in the Bavarian League) in my time in order to do four new grounds, I really resented having to watch B teams playing without a modicum of passion and no fans supporting them - not even for a Madrid derby. Werder Bremen B played in the car park of the main Weser Stadium and the crowd was about 350, mostly away fans from Wiesbaden. There was a small programme but it covered several games including women's fixtures.

The (E)FL have experimented in England by allowing B teams into the EFL Trophy. The fans have shown their contempt by refusing to turn up, as have 3rd and 4th division sides who regularly field much weakened XIs. As far as I know, very few if any B teams have ever played a home game as nobody would come to watch. The pyramid is hard enough to climb with most divisions only having one automatic promotion slot. We don't want B teams clogging it up.

The other argument against B teams is they will vary markedly in strength from week to week depending on the requirements of their respective first teams.
 

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I agree. Having had the misfortune to watch Rayo Vallecano v Atletico Madrid B in La Liga 2, Offenbach Kickers v VfB Stuttgart B and Werder Bremen B v VW Wehen in 3 Liga (plus Bayern Munich Amateurs v ASV Neumarkt in the Bavarian League) in my time in order to do four new grounds, I really resented having to watch B teams playing without a modicum of passion and no fans supporting them - not even for a Madrid derby. Werder Bremen B played in the car park of the main Weser Stadium and the crowd was about 350, mostly away fans from Wiesbaden. There was a small programme but it covered several games including women's fixtures.

The (E)FL have experimented in England by allowing B teams into the EFL Trophy. The fans have shown their contempt by refusing to turn up, as have 3rd and 4th division sides who regularly field much weakened XIs. As far as I know, very few if any B teams have ever played a home game as nobody would come to watch. The pyramid is hard enough to climb with most divisions only having one automatic promotion slot. We don't want B teams clogging it up.

The other argument against B teams is they will vary markedly in strength from week to week depending on the requirements of their respective first teams.
That all sounds horrendous
 

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Erling Haaland just one shot on target v Scotland - a penalty although no surprise he scored it, but despite an apparently poor performance by Scotland they produced goals in 87th and 89th minute to wipe the smiles off Norwegian faces. Steve Clarke has brought real spirit to Scotland.
Hopefully no slip up against Georgia on Tuesday!
 

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What a win, watched it alone in Lanzarote!

Hope the other half is understanding now I’m returning to the villa worse for ware
 

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Erling Haaland just one shot on target v Scotland - a penalty although no surprise he scored it, but despite an apparently poor performance by Scotland they produced goals in 87th and 89th minute to wipe the smiles off Norwegian faces. Steve Clarke has brought real spirit to Scotland.
Hopefully no slip up against Georgia on Tuesday!
Wonder if Haaland will regret not choosing to represent the country of his birth, if he retires having never played at a major tournament.
 

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Wonder if Haaland will regret not choosing to represent the country of his birth, if he retires having never played at a major tournament.

I have just had a quick eyeball at Haarland's Wikipedia page, with it mentioning he was born in Leeds, Yorkshire and moving to Norway a few years after he was born. Both his parents are Norwegian.

This has also got me thinking that the former Arsenal and Scotland goalie Bob Wilson was actually born in Chesterfield, Derbyshire, but only ever played a couple of Scotland games under Tommy Docherty.
 

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Wonder if Haaland will regret not choosing to represent the country of his birth, if he retires having never played at a major tournament.
To look at players who have never played at a major tournament, one doesn’t need to look further than George Best, in my view the finest footballer ever (but that’s maybe for another thread). However even if given a choice I’m pretty sure George would still have chosen Northern Ireland.
 

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To look at players who have never played at a major tournament, one doesn’t need to look further than George Best, in my view the finest footballer ever (but that’s maybe for another thread). However even if given a choice I’m pretty sure George would still have chosen Northern Ireland.
Possibly the best player never to have played in a World Cup finals; either him or di Stefano.
 

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I have just had a quick eyeball at Haarland's Wikipedia page, with it mentioning he was born in Leeds, Yorkshire and moving to Norway a few years after he was born. Both his parents are Norwegian.

This has also got me thinking that the former Arsenal and Scotland goalie Bob Wilson was actually born in Chesterfield, Derbyshire, but only ever played a couple of Scotland games under Tommy Docherty.
Bob Wilson was among the first to take advantage of the 1970 rule change which enabled players to play for the country of a parent's birth - later expanded to also include grandparents. The present Scotland goalkeeper Angus Gunn is another, his Thurso born father Bryan having won all of his Scotland caps whilst playing for Norwich where Angus was born.
 

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Bob Wilson was among the first to take advantage of the 1970 rule change which enabled players to play for the country of a parent's birth - later expanded to also include grandparents. The present Scotland goalkeeper Angus Gunn is another, his Thurso born father Bryan having won all of his Scotland caps whilst playing for Norwich where Angus was born.
Schooling also counts towards eligibility i believe. Jordan Rhodes was born in Oldham but moved to Scotland as a baby when his dad Andy signed for Dunfermline Athletic, and spent his formative years North of the border.
 

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AFC Bournemouth have sacked Gary O'Neil, and replaced him with Andoni Iraola, formerly of Rayo Vallecano.
 

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Sounds like Brendan Rodgers might be on his way back to manage Celtic. Despite him leaving for Leicester last time at a pivotal point of a season, he's probably the most likely to get a tune out of the squad Ange Postecoglou left behind. I'd be happy enough with that. :E

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Confirmed today - he's back at Celtic on a 3-year deal. Let the good times roll. :E

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Career resurrection time for Rodgers. If a big club south of the border come calling then he'll walk away again. Everything is about him and his inflated opinion of himself.
 

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And now Darren Moore has parted ways with Sheff Wed a few weeks after getting them promoted. Strange day.
 

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Career resurrection time for Rodgers. If a big club south of the border come calling then he'll walk away again. Everything is about him and his inflated opinion of himself.
It’s an easy place to recover a reputation, the worst they can finish is 2nd

And now Darren Moore has parted ways with Sheff Wed a few weeks after getting them promoted. Strange day.
An odd one, but the Sheffield Wednesday owner is an interesting character which could explain it. Of course, he could be leaving to go to a bigger club…
 
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