ExRes
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The ban includes
'..... prohibited from entering the confines of any stadium .....'
'..... prohibited from entering the confines of any stadium .....'
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Bill Stanier
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Why? Surely the 'game' would be better off without its 'stars', very much in the public eye, being deeply flawed psychologically. Football has a violent enough image without that.
EM2
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English cricket has, fairly recently, had two high-profile players, Marcus Trescothick and Jonathan Trott, both step down from international matches because of psychological issues, and the game is much the poorer for it.
Their flaws are of a different kind to Suarez, but many players, musicians, artists, actors have 'demons' that drive them.
Bill Stanier
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Do they bite people in a vastly public arena? No need for this player to step down, just to wear a muzzle.
EM2
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The point you made was that
Biting people is not the only manifestation of that, although Vinnie Jones bit a reporter's nose and Mike Tyson bit an opponent's ear.
But you only have to look at people like George Best, Diego Maradona, Vincent van Gogh, Amy Winehouse, Richard Harris, Richard Burton and Oliver Reed. Their problems manifested themselves in different ways, and if we had no-one with these flaws, the world would be a very dull place.
None of this is to excuse what Suarez has done, and he deserves even stronger punishment than he has received IMO, but it's part of what makes him the player he is.
SS4
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Just heard on BBC1 that Uruguay's FA has appealed the decision. Personally I think they're stalling for time so he can play
Xenophon PCDGS
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That is a very good comparative example of a very highly paid professional sportsman whose lack of control in a sporting event betrayed him.
Giugiaro
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Send in the ambulance!
Xenophon PCDGS
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FIFA have stated that any appeal made will not affect the decision made not to allow him to further participate in the World Cup.
Bill Stanier
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EM2 - I think you are deliberately ignoring my point. Violence on the football field is unacceptable as these overpaid primadonnas are role models and are the showcase of 'the game'. Violence in form of biting is particularly unpleasant as it is deeply un-natural in adults.
Kite159
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£66k, isn't that a mere 2 days work for him?
EM2
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If that was your point, then maybe you should have said that. After all, I've only quoted and replied to what you actually posted.
But what about, for example, eye-gouging in rugby? I'd say that's a lot more unnatural.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ru...n-rugby-from-eye-gouging-to-penis-biting.html
Highlights from the above include:
Seven week ban for eleven punches to the head.
No punishment for grabbing the testicles.
Six week ban for a stamp on the face.
No punishment for a spear tackle, leading to a dislocated shoulder.
Eight game ban for gouging.
And, interestingly, a number of those players felt they had done nothing wrong either.
Minilad
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But it's OK in Rugby because they call the ref Sir :roll:
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And yes, but they're all jolly good chaps in rugger and violence is all part of it being a man's game don't you know.
A sports journalist who I've completely forgotten today compared this bite, to bans to players who have ended other player's careers.
That journalist found the punishment to Suarez to be unfairly disproportionate on players who have ended other players careers have got 3 game bans in some cases.
Personally he deserves the ban as previous 7 and 10 game bans haven't worked for him, and it more shows the 3 match bans mentioned being lenient.
That journalist found the punishment to Suarez to be unfairly disproportionate on players who have ended other players careers have got 3 game bans in some cases.
Personally he deserves the ban as previous 7 and 10 game bans haven't worked for him, and it more shows the 3 match bans mentioned being lenient.
SS4
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What a surprise, a Belgian player is correctly sent off. His teammates argue with the ref but no yellow card is produced :roll:. Is dissent, like diving, no longer an offence?
ExRes
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That's the 'beautiful game' for you, no wonder so many people love it
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Xenophon PCDGS
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The fact that both Algeria and Costa Rica managed to qualify from the group stages is another comparative matter of embarrassment for those charged with the English team hopes at World Cup 2014.
Butts
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Capello and Hodgson the respective Managers of Russia and England being two of the highest paid incumbents presiding over teams at Brazil 2014 have both produced teams who's campaigns have ended in abject failure.
Should both these multi-millionaires be fired..?
Should both these multi-millionaires be fired..?
To be honest with you - what they get paid doesnt come into it. I didnt think Hodgsons tactics were all that bad - we looked to be more of an attacking formation which is odd for him as he is normally solidly astute, but it was putting Rooney wide and not having any cover for Baines(IIRC) on the wing in the first game that totally screwed us as they played on that.
Plus you can also lay a lot of the blame at the players inability to actually shoot at the goal rather than to either bloody side of it
Xenophon PCDGS
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The English media will no doubt be delighted that there is a four year gap between each World Cup, as this gives the public time to forget past bad team performances and for the media to think of new and creative modes in which the "hype factory" can go into full production into the months leading up to the next World Cup.
Incidentally, has anyone any views on how the academy system of the English clubs can be improved, so that we can have similar skilled players to those of certain football nations who have come through their system ?
Incidentally, has anyone any views on how the academy system of the English clubs can be improved, so that we can have similar skilled players to those of certain football nations who have come through their system ?
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ExRes
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I don't think the positives of a home Academy system matter a jot, clubs are completely taken over by the thrill of having players with exotic sounding foreign names, sorry about that Mr Sidorczuk, but they would rather sign a 32 year old 2nd rate Italian, for example, than put any effort into risking home grown talent, they seem to thrive on having a lad right the way through to his early 20s, never giving him the remotest of chances and then letting him go on a free to another, lower division, club with the excuse that "he hasn't proved himself"
SS4
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The Euros are in 2 years Paul so they won't have to wait that long. The academy system won't matter in the slightest as the biggest clubs (uncoincidentally the ones who also have the most spending power) can, and do, poach from other clubs for the best players whether English or foreign and why bother to curtail spending if UEFA are going to do pretty much sod all about it?
The England players did well but they doesn't seem to be a team ethic as we've seen with Costa Rica or the USA
The England players did well but they doesn't seem to be a team ethic as we've seen with Costa Rica or the USA
Xenophon PCDGS
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888.com have announced that they have terminated their contract with Suarez
A case of "the biter bit"...
A case of "the biter bit"...
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SS4
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888.com have announced that they have terminated their contract with Suarez
A case of "the biter bit"...
Have the subtitles gone online given teletext's demise
Xenophon PCDGS
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How does that help with the production of home-grown talent that progress into the first team, then hopefully into the England team ? A number of senior coaches have admitted that the standard of coaching in the academies are still repeating the same mistakes of tactical parts of the game.
Look at the younger English players in the World Cup squad. We see "rave notices" of their talent when weighed against the dross in the English leagues, but then see how they fare when playing in a tournament such as the World Cup, when players of similar ages, but far greater talent that is actually expressed on the field of play, show how much the English academy system needs to progress.
Minilad
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A betting / Casino company taking the moral high ground I see
Xenophon PCDGS
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I would say...."More like a company who see no benefit whatsoever in being connected to a character whose personal frailties do nothing but cause disgust in their customers".
Minilad
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I must be a cynic then. I just see a company that can get a bit of cheap publicity
Xenophon PCDGS
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I must be a cynic then. I just see a company that can get a bit of cheap publicity
Any company worth its salt knows when to distance itself from matters that reflect badly on it through association.
Talking of being a cynic, have you ever noted my forum signature that I have used since I joined RailUK in April 2011.