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[JumpinTrainz]

2 new E400MMCs branded for the 75 are at Caledonia. Not sure if there are anymore but definately saw the 2. Hopefully they start service pretty swiftly.

 

[Volvodart]

There were 5 looking about ready to come at Alexanders a couple of days ago, including one with the new digital mirrors.

 

[Jordan Adam]

Mechnically yes, as I'm aware anyways first and stagecoach usually buy the standard bus(its cheaper), not sure of the interior, they will have leather seats, thats a given, the flooring might be one-tone wood effect like the latest refurbs seen at FiG, or the ones at Livi, my biggest annoyance with the eLeather they use isits durability, glasgow 62/63 plate 300's are finding the seats wrinkled and already worn out after 5 year

First buying the "standard" model is quite a recent thing. Even the Enviro300s new in 2013 have a ZF Ecolife gearbox rather than the standard Voith option. Part of the issue now is that the ZF Ecolife is not offered on the Enviro200 or Streetlite.

The whole seat situation is rather confusing. A few of the E300s in Aberdeen have tears in the material, yet the Geminis on the 19 which got refurbished not long after the E300s were new are perfectly fine. Our Artics which were refurbished in late 2015 are also fine.
For the passenger Fabric is the much better option, but at a company/maintenance perspective ELeather is better. In the ideal world those E300s should be getting retrims soon regardless of if they had Fabric or ELeather.

When comparing buses the only few options you find on lothians are the extra glazing on the staircase, roof and upper A-pillars, the durabright alloys and a white LED hanover, apart from these things the streetdecks are standard with a voith gearbox, zf an options.

Or standard with a zf gearbox on a volvo chassis

Lothian don't have any Streetdecks, nor can you get one on a Volvo chassis!

View attachment 52643 View attachment 52642 I like what wright bus had done with these, change the fabric to purple and these would look mint.

The lighlty coloured floor shows up dirt far too easily as well, take note FiG.

The black floor there will also show up dirt just as badly over time. They should have stuck with a dark purple/blue floor. I quite like what First Bristol have done to the interiors of their new orders when it comes to the seating.

 

[Jordan Adam]

It's hard to properly tell from the photos but it appears these new E400s are not standard specification. The grab rails are certainly not pink, perhaps a grey or purple (matching the Refurbished Geminis).

The Seats also appear to be the Lazzerini Pratico 3840 models rather than the standard Esteban Civic V3.

 

[goldisgood]

It's hard to properly tell from the photos but it appears these new E400s are not standard specification. The grab rails are certainly not pink, perhaps a grey or purple (matching the Refurbished Geminis).

The Seats also appear to be the Lazzerini Pratico 3840 models rather than the standard Esteban Civic V3.

First's new standard seats are Pratico.

 

[Scott mac]

2 new E400MMCs branded for the 75 are at Caledonia. Not sure if there are anymore but definately saw the 2. Hopefully they start service pretty swiftly.

Their going to wait until all 25 are their for the 75

 

[Volvodart]

Does the 75 need 25 buses?

 

[JumpinTrainz]

Does the 75 need 25 buses?

My thoughts exactly. Wasn’t there 25 E500s? They were split between the 75, 4 and 5 routes. Perhaps that’ll happen here.

Hopefully this releases more B9TLs to be refurbished for the 61 and 60 routes.

 

[GaryMcEwan]

My thoughts exactly. Wasn’t there 25 E500s? They were split between the 75, 4 and 5 routes. Perhaps that’ll happen here.

Hopefully this releases more B9TLs to be refurbished for the 61 and 60 routes.

There's another photo going about of at least another 6 that are sitting at ADL that are branded for the 75...

 

[Bluebirdscot66]

Regarding the digital mirrors,as a driver I'd be skepticable about this feature knowing how technology has a tendency to break down on buses .how does that go about with the construction and use regs.

There were 5 looking about ready to come at Alexanders a couple of days ago, including one with the new digital mirrors.

 

[Volvodart]

Page 2 of this publication gives a clue where the new buses are heading. The link on the page does not appear to be working yet.

https://issuu.com/passtrans/docs/scotlandsbuses2018

 

[Gingerbus1991]

Meehhh

 

[Scott mac]

Page 2 of this publication gives a clue where the new buses are heading. The link on the page does not appear to be working yet.

https://issuu.com/passtrans/docs/scotlandsbuses2018

18 and the 75 for the e400mmc

 

[christopherrfc]

18 and the 75 for the e400mmc

Also zoom into the first single decker it says its for the 242 even though it was reported on here that service wasnt getting any new buses, cant make out what the last 2 buses are for

 

[Jordan Adam]

Also zoom into the first single decker it says its for the 242 even though it was reported on here that service wasnt getting any new buses, cant make out what the last 2 buses are for

I wouldn't base the types used on different services based off what you see on that "advert". They'll just use the same single decker type on it for all 3 of those routes for simplicity.

 

[lastbus]

I wouldn't base the types used on different services based off what you see on that "advert". They'll just use the same single decker type on it for all 3 of those routes for simplicity.

242 is not a simplicity route. It is operated by Overtown depot and does not go anywhere near Glasgow city centre. Overtown are definitely getting some new e200s so it is possible that these will indeed go on to the 242

 

[Jordan Adam]

242 is not a simplicity route. It is operated by Overtown depot and does not go anywhere near Glasgow city centre. Overtown are definitely getting some new e200s so it is possible that these will indeed go on to the 242

I was meaning for simplicity when creating the advert rather than using 5 different bus types!

 

[Scott mac]

43 e400mmc 22 for the 75/ 21 for the 18 30 e200mmc are due as well don't know who their for yet

 

[Jordan Adam]

43 e400mmc 22 for the 75/ 21 for the 18 30 e200mmc are due as well don't know who their for yet

This initial batch are confirmed at only being 25 vehicles. So i'd assume that's the 22 for the 75 (didn't think the PVR was that high) plus 3 spare. With the next batch being for the 18. It's meant to be 75 new deckers in total in 3 batches of 25.

 

[Scott mac]

This initial batch are confirmed at only being 25 vehicles. So i'd assume that's the 22 for the 75 (didn't think the PVR was that high) plus 3 spare. With the next batch being for the 18. It's meant to be 75 new deckers in total in 3 batches of 25.

Things can change as theirs 43 e400mmc now due 22 for the route 75 which mostly during the day is a every 7 minutes service and the other 21 are for the 18 don't no anything yet about the 30 or 32 e200mmc

 

[JumpinTrainz]

Page 2 of this publication gives a clue where the new buses are heading. The link on the page does not appear to be working yet.

https://issuu.com/passtrans/docs/scotlandsbuses2018

The green coloured bus at the back looks like it says 38. Wonder how they would manage putting the 38 back to singles. Nice to see the 18 get new buses as they were screaming out for them. Wonder if they’ll scrap the 53 plates prematurely. Blantyre have got a pretty nice fleet now.

 

[Scott mac]

The green coloured bus at the back looks like it says 38. Wonder how they would manage putting the 38 back to singles. Nice to see the 18 get new buses as they were screaming out for them. Wonder if they’ll scrap the 53 plates prematurely. Blantyre have got a pretty nice fleet now.

Only 32 e200mmc which will go on 3 routes so a can't see the 38 being one due to a high pvr looks like a 34 on one of them but not 100per cent sure

 

[Jordan Adam]

The Mint Green E200 looks like it says 34, Violet one appears to say either 16 or 46? Pink one is clearly the 242.

 

[90sWereBetter]

The plan mooted on Firstbus Enthusiasts is that the new E400s, E200s plus the Caetano Darts will help get rid of all remaining Marshall Darts, B10BLEs and B7Ls, by cascading Geminis onto other routes to increase capacity.

Most Tridents are going to survive into 2019, where the next big order should see them off. Presumably that'll be the balance of the 75 new double deckers that is expected.

 

[overthewater]

The Mint Green E200 looks like it says 34, Violet one appears to say either 16 or 46? Pink one is clearly the 242.

Mint green is 34 ( this is bonkers route because it does NOT go via the City centre...) Violet is 65??? 65 is a SPT route.

 

[JumpinTrainz]

Mint green is 34 ( this is bonkers route because it does NOT go via the City centre...) Violet is 65??? 65 is a SPT route.

The 34 getting new buses might not be such a bad idea. Firstly it gets a busy crowd with the QEUH and also it may allow for the Streetlites on the current route to go back to the 90 which they were originally ordered for.

I also get though these orders are supposed to be for LEZ and these routes don’t go through the city centre... I thought that would be first priority.

 

[Volvodart]

As long as they can meet this year's target for low emissions, surely they should go on the routes most appropriate for them. Presumably these routes do well.

 

[christopherrfc]

Mint green is 34 ( this is bonkers route because it does NOT go via the City centre...) Violet is 65??? 65 is a SPT route.

Service 65 is only a spt service to bridgeton from there it is commercial and is interworked with service 64 so would that service not need to be route branded aswell

 

[Gingerbus1991]

I’m surprized First or Lothian havent done anything about the Euro5 engines to date to retrofit them with new exhaust, the likes of the 2, 3 or 77 route using enviro 300’s every 10 mins or so, I thought this wouldve been more effective, much more quickly in meeting that euro6 level, there probably waiting out for funding for this?

 

[overthewater]

The plan is to retro fit the Euro 5 buses, but money has yet to appear for this. It does not solve the huge problem older buses needing to be scaped with a few years.