Im not sure what you mean by that as GARL was never taken forward. Are you referring to the Paisley Corridor Improvements? I'm sure they're being funded by Transport Scotland.
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Im not sure what you mean by that as GARL was never taken forward. Are you referring to the Paisley Corridor Improvements? I'm sure they're being funded by Transport Scotland.
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Yes, the PCI, Transport Scotland completely dumped GARL, so Network Rail took the remaining parts of the scheme forward themselves (Glasgow Central platforms, signalling, and electrification improvements)
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All that Transport Scotland funded at the outcome was the Environmental Assessment
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It's clever drafting just to get "end of next year" into a sentence including "electrification" to confuse the unwary.
I bet he means it's wifi that comes next year, with no particular date on electrification.
Scotland evidently has it's fair share of "Sir Humphreys".
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It was Network Rail pointing out the wording that had been applied by Transport Scotland, it wasn't written by him
It certainly confused BBC Radio Scotland, on the day of the announcement they were reporting it as electrification by the end of next year.
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Sadly it seems to be standard for press releases/ announcements to deliberately give the impression that *more* will be happening, due to carefully worded announcements. Like when we all thought that George Osbourne had announced electrification from Manchester to Sheffield in the Budget. He hadn't, he'd listed "Manchester to Sheffield" right after mention of electrification elsewhere. Then there's no hurry for them to "correct" the positive false impression that the media report on because it's bought them free publicity - cynical world
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An interesting article about the apparent plan now not to electrify the Falkirk Grahamston loop
http://www.heraldscotland.com/comme...who-are-driving-rail-planning-policy.18090259
At one stage the Scottish Government was held in high esteem throughout the UK as being an organisation that was keen to support public transport and re-open and electrify railway lines when no other part of the UK was doing the same.
However I this this esteem is gradually wearing away with first EARL, then GARL, then Edinburgh trams and now a scaled down EGIP; things don't look as rosy as they once did. How much better it would have been had EGIP been fully thought through in the first place and then just announced as what they will do rather than all this chopping and changing with all the resultant confusion it is now causing.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/comme...who-are-driving-rail-planning-policy.18090259
At one stage the Scottish Government was held in high esteem throughout the UK as being an organisation that was keen to support public transport and re-open and electrify railway lines when no other part of the UK was doing the same.
However I this this esteem is gradually wearing away with first EARL, then GARL, then Edinburgh trams and now a scaled down EGIP; things don't look as rosy as they once did. How much better it would have been had EGIP been fully thought through in the first place and then just announced as what they will do rather than all this chopping and changing with all the resultant confusion it is now causing.
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But at least the A9 is getting daulled
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A long time overdue in comparison to the A90, and to other major trunk road projects which were completed within the last 20 years
Equally, a knee jerk reaction and brought forward a few years, after a recent number of deaths; however we can't compare deaths on the road to a few minutes cut off a rail journey, along with increasing demand for rail services
My solution would be to apply a 40mph speed limit on the A9, between Perth and Inverness!
That would put all vehicles to the same speed limit (ie the HGV)
Whilst the cut to EGIP is disappointing we have to acknowledge that savings had to be made somewhere. The Scot Govt has to balance it's books and it has no borrowing powers other than PFI/RAB. Taking a wider view, the money saved on EGIP means that other transport schemes will survive, ie. M8/M73/M74 Improvements, Borders Rail, Glasgow Subway upgrade and Aberdeen Bypass. Most of the recent infrastructure investment has been in the Central Belt: M74 Completion, M80, Forth Crossing, Airdrie-Bathgate, PCI, Edinburgh Trams, so it's only fair that Aberdeen and the Borders get to keep their schemes.
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Yes, very achievable
Unlike other schemes which have included line improvements and resignalling, this is just a relatively simplified electrification between Corkerhill and Paisley Canal
Not due for completion until 2025 though and there may well be a change of government before then so I'm not certain it will actually be done. Many times large schmes have been announced and then canelled a few years later. It also requires funding to be available. The SNP also announced a plan to dual the A96(T) from Aberdeen to Inverness by 2030 last year but again it's a long time ahead and I'm not sure this will be done. For all we know the roads coudl be very quiet in 20 years with most people having switched to public transport.
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Or you could just introduce a no overtaking rule on the single carriageway sections which would effectively result in all traffic restricted to 40 mph when behind a truck but would allow higher speeds when there is a clear road.
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tbtc
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Sadly the A1 dualling seems to be off the agenda, despite an improved link to England potentially being a big boost for the Scots economy. The fact that the Morpeth - Berwick stretch would have to be paid for by England (and the Berwick - Dunbar stretch by Scotland) is presumably a big reason in both sides' reluctance to get their wallets out.
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The A9 upgrade has been brought forward by three years, now due for completion no later than 2022
A new scheme at Aviemore has also now been included
A further southbound overtaking lane scheme has now been cancelled and the dualling will commence instead
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This has been one of the slowest improvement schemes to progress, although it is better now than it was 20 years ago
Morpeth to Felton and Adderstone to Belfrord were planned back in 2002 but in 2006 the government decided that the A1(T) north of Newcastle was a route of regional and not national importance and so it had to be funded by the regional funding allocation for the North East where it would compete against public transport and local road schemes. The North East regional assembly did not consider it to be a regional priority and so the upgrade was cancelled. The road has now been reclassified from regional to national importance but there simply isn't any funding these days. Even the Leeming to Barton upgrade to motorway was cancelled due to lack of funding back in 2010. As you suggest, I doubt the Scottish or UK governments would want to dual their parts to the border without a commitment that the rest will be done.
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I believe the section you are referring to is the new Kincraig to Dalraddy scheme which will start in 2015. Luncarty to Birnam is also planned for 2017. According to this document recently published by Transport Scotland though: http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk...erth_to_Inverness_-_Programme_-_June_2012.pdf the upgrade will indeed start early but is still not due for completion until 2025.
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Equally, the entire route upgrade may not actually be completed for many, many years after that...
Parallels there to EGIP; plan, phase change, swap
Ironically, the short dual carriageway section to the north of Pitlochry was recently downgraded from 2 lanes to 1 lane
Indeed, I'm not convinced it will ever get done.
I can't find any reference to to the reduction of the Killiecrankie section to one lane in each direction. I'm suprised that no announcement was made.
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It would appear you've got the wrong location as the Killiecrankie Dual Carriagway starts several miles later (starts northbound with a separated parking bay)
It is the short dual carriageway section to the north of Pitlochry, merge junction with A924, next to Loch Faskally
Google Street view still shows the previous road layout
There have been many such reductions over the years without any announcement
However a change to the Traffic Order was applied in 2010 and implemented late in 2011
Yes, I see where you are talking about now, sorry for the confusion.
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How many units are going to be released when the 2014 electrification part is finished?
I'd be surprised if it was more than a dozen. 10 Are required for the E&G's increased to 16 at peaktimes. I dont think you could say the whole 16 will become surplus as they are made available through tightened diagrams/maintainance periods/interworking etc. The Cumbernauld line, if its only electrified to Cumbernauld, will yield 1, maybe 2 if the Motherwell service is included.
I suspect they will want to keep as many as possible for improvements elsewhere and if anything some 156s will go.
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