DRS order 10 'Class 88'

[Chris125]

Railways Illustrated have confirmed a DRS order for 10 electric loco's with 'last mile' diesel engines from Vossloh.

RI can exclusively reveal that DRS has ordered ten Vossloh Class 88 Electro diesels. They will be 25kV AC but have a 1,250hp diesel engine for working on non-electrfied branches, yards and depots and keeping trains moving in case of a OHLE failure. More details in the coming months!

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Chris

 

[SansPareil]

No More 47s to Great Yarmouth then.... :cry:

 

[D365]

Anything happening with the purported 92/66 DBS/DRS swap/loan? Still going ahead for the Tesco train whatchamacallit?

Guess this loco might be the sort of thing we'll be seeing on freight in the future. Wonder whether the Bombardier Traxx '93' is still proposed by Eversholt/Porterbrook. Also what engine pack will pop up on the '88' - now if it arrived from Spain looking like the 'e43' electro-HST look-alike!

If we get many more electro-loco types, could we see Classes 81, 83-85 and 89 re-used, with some lump category or another (82, alongside the lone loco of that type and the DVTs?) for ACLG.

Even more the reason for Felixstowe-Birmingham electrification. 88s for Freightliner! 92s for GBRf; though I like them in DBS 'Verkehrsrot'! Torch the 0 70s; intentionally! [About time to consider replacing at least some of the older dwindling BR electrics?]

 

[HSTEd]

Probably good for the flask runs.

And engineering trains.

 

[D365]

Figures. If running on electric for most of the journey, the 'last mile diesel' provides redundancy. The 92s could do that too though, if electrified through - £18bn ;P

 

[westcoaster]

Anything happening with the purported 92/66 DBS/DRS swap/loan? Still going ahead for the Tesco train whatchamacallit?

I do believe driver training commenced last week.

 

[Boothby97]

I do believe driver training commenced last week.

92015 is currently on loan to DRS. Two others have been earmarked for DRS.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

No More 47s to Great Yarmouth then.... :cry:

It would only reach about 40mph towing a Mk3 set.
Similar power to an old Type 2.
Needs a "last 20 mile" capability for that.

 

[Monty]

So will these locos be an electric version of the Class 68 that had been muted in the past, or is this a completely new locomotive with a new bodyshell design? An interesting development none the less.

 

[hwl]

It would only reach about 40mph towing a Mk3 set.
Similar power to an old Type 2.
Needs a "last 20 mile" capability for that.

Power at the engine shaft or power at the rail?
One would hope that a new locomotive design would have better electrical (i.e. transmission) efficiency than a 50 year old design (i.e. old type 2) and therefore more power at the rail and tractive effort etc.?

 

[Loki]

Railways Illustrated have confirmed a DRS order for 10 electric loco's with 'last mile' diesel engines from Vossloh.


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Chris

Finally a new electric.
Wonder if its a Bo-Bo or Co-Co?

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Power at the engine shaft or power at the rail?
One would hope that a new locomotive design would have better electrical (i.e. transmission) efficiency than a 50 year old design (i.e. old type 2) and therefore more power at the rail and tractive effort etc.?

No idea. It would also have to power all the aircon and on-board systems.
Whatever they are, they are not intended for passenger use with that power (eg towing Pendolinos away from the wires).

 

[Chris125]

Finally a new electric.
Wonder if its a Bo-Bo or Co-Co?

Going by recent posts on wnxx it will be the former, as many predicted it will effectively be an electric version of the 68 DRS already have on order.

Chris

 

[anthony263]

So will these locos be an electric version of the Class 68 that had been muted in the past, or is this a completely new locomotive with a new bodyshell design? An interesting development none the less.

I read the article and these will basically be the smae as the class 68's although there will be some physical differences cant remeber what they were however

 

[route:oxford]

I read the article and these will basically be the same as the class 68's although there will be some physical differences cant remember what they were however

I'd put money on a pantograph.

 

[asylumxl]

I'd put money on a pantograph.

No, couldn't be! :roll:

 

[ffm]

Add a transformer, a smaller Diesel engine, lower roofline for the pantograph and breakers etc etc! Probably the main differences will be those that an electric differs from a diesel!

 

[BananaRepublic]

So will these locos be an electric version of the Class 68 that had been muted in the past, or is this a completely new locomotive with a new bodyshell design? An interesting development none the less.

I read the article and these will basically be the smae as the class 68's although there will be some physical differences cant remeber what they were however

The class 68 UKlight is a slimmed down version of the Vossloh Eurolight, modified to fit the UK's restricted clearances.

The Eurolight itself is derived from the larger Co-Co Euro 4000.

Vossloh have developed a series of Dual Mode loco proposals (EuroDual) based on both the full size Euro 4000 and it's Eurolight baby brother.
The first of these to see light of day is a conversion of a Renfe Euro 4000, which is currently on trial.

Most likely these class 88's are similarly based on the UKlight class 68, as all the work to shrink the standard EuroLight model to fit our loading gauge has already been done.
However the Dual Mode version of the full size Eurolght appears to be quite a different design, with a mid and an end cab.

 

[junglejames]

Most likely these class 88's are similarly based on the UKlight class 68, as all the work to shrink the standard EuroLight model to fit our loading gauge has already been done.
However the Dual Mode version of the full size Eurolght appears to be quite a different design, with a mid and an end cab.

The 88s are very very similar to the 68s apparently. Right the way down to the electronics used. Even got the same traction motors apparently.

All over on WNXX*. Hop on over and have a look.


*Other websites are available, including this one you are on right here!!

 

[Beveridges]

These are almost certain to see off the Drs 20s, 37s, 47s, 57s and (who cares) 66s!

 

[anthony263]

For some of those classes yes but I still think some of the class 37's and 47/57's might just escape for now as there may still be routes where the class 68/88's will not be cleared.

This order has got me thinking that DRS could try and grab some freight contracts along the route of the electric spine as well as to use on freights services which most operate under the wires

 

[hwl]

For some of those classes yes but I still think some of the class 37's and 47/57's might just escape for now as there may still be routes where the class 68/88's will not be cleared.

This order has got me thinking that DRS could try and grab some freight contracts along the route of the electric spine as well as to use on freights services which most operate under the wires

Possibly a tactic to call DBS's bluff? and hence get them to sell some of the 90s and 92 that they don't use i.e. as a new electric freight loco is now available off the shelf to other operators, DB can no longer dominate electric freight and if they want to get some value out of the loco rusting away selling them sooner rather than later might be a better option?

 

[DXMachina]

These are almost certain to see off the Drs 20s, 37s, 47s, 57s and (who cares) 66s!

They need the Class 20s for London Transport stock drags on and off the Metropolitan line - nothing else is tripcock-fitted AFAIK

 

[daikilo]

Possibly a tactic to call DBS's bluff? and hence get them to sell some of the 90s and 92 that they don't use i.e. as a new electric freight loco is now available off the shelf to other operators, DB can no longer dominate electric freight and if they want to get some value out of the loco rusting away selling them sooner rather than later might be a better option?

Calling bluff would be to announce you are in discussions to buy, announcing you have bought is a statement that you intend to compete. I wonder how far a last mile could go with only a few wagons?

 

[Freightmaster]

They need the Class 20s for London Transport stock drags on and off the Metropolitan line - nothing else is tripcock-fitted AFAIK

True, but those trains are operated by GBRf, not DRS...

MARK

 

[TDK]

These are almost certain to see off the Drs 20s, 37s, 47s, 57s and (who cares) 66s!

If that's the case there will be loads of driver vacancies at DRS when all the cranks leave

 

[507 001]

These are almost certain to see off the Drs 20s, 37s, 47s, 57s and (who cares) 66s!

They need the Class 20s for London Transport stock drags on and off the Metropolitan line - nothing else is tripcock-fitted AFAIK

Nothing to stop other stock being tripcock fitted, can't imagine it being particularly difficult to fit, it's a pretty simple system

 

[WatcherZero]

Class 88
Max Speed 100mph
4MW electrical power including 500kw of electrical power for passenger trains
700kw Euro-IIIB Diesel engine
317Kn of Tractive effort in Diesel or Electric mode
Mechanically and electrically identical to Class 68 Eurolight
ROSCO will be Beacon Rail

I get the impression it will work both freight and passenger services.

 

[Beveridges]

What European electric locomotives are these based on ?

 

[Loki]

What European electric locomotives are these based on ?

None in mass production. DRS is the first client of Vossloh's EuroDual.