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norbitonflyer said:
Not sure that simply moving empty rolling stock around should count as revenue earning, even if the stock and haulage have different owners.
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If they're being paid to move it its revenue earning. Just because the 'cargo has its own wheels doesnt change that.
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Wouldnt have done in old-school days when it was all one railway.
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Even in BR days im fairly sure you'd have sectors charging each other for services provided across boundaries.
 
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In BR days it would probably have all gone by road because it was cheaper.
 
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zwk500 said:
If they're being paid to move it its revenue earning. Just because the 'cargo has its own wheels doesnt change that.

Even in BR days im fairly sure you'd have sectors charging each other for services provided across boundaries.
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"wooden dollars" I think is the term.
 
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Iskra said:
Revenue is revenue. The BranchLine Society article advertising one being used at Barrow Hill on Friday states that they are going to be used on fast container workings, presumably by Freightliner as somebody suggested earlier in this thread.
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The BLS have just regurgitated ROG’s press releases. They also quoted a fleet of 30 locos - the order was for 10 with 20 options, which have not been made firm (and are unlikely to ever be).
 
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43096 said:
The BLS have just regurgitated ROG’s press releases. They also quoted a fleet of 30 locos - the order was for 10 with 20 options, which have not been made firm (and are unlikely to ever be).
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Okay, we will see then.

I must admit that when I first saw they were going to Ely on here, I did think it could be for them to go into storage ;)
 
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I dont think this has ran today to Derby

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Ignore me-wrong day!
 
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Iskra said:
Okay, we will see then.

I must admit that when I first saw they were going to Ely on here, I did think it could be for them to go into storage ;)
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Still no onward STP ("Short Term Plan") from Ely on the day 5Q46 arrives from Derby or on the day after.
 
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Suraggu said:
93002/006 allocated to 0Q57. Both locos are the first class 93’s into revenue earning traffic for ROG:

Realtime Trains | 0Q57 0704 Worksop Down Yard to Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) | 07/10/2025

Real-time train running information for 0Q57 0704 departure from Worksop Down Yard to Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) on 07/10/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk www.realtimetrains.co.uk
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Question, if revenue earning, why do they still run as a 'Q' headcode?
 
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800001 said:
Question, if revenue earning, why do they still run as a 'Q' headcode?
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my question would be if it is revenue-earning, why a 0 headcode, which I thought was only for light engines going to work (e.g) 5Q57?
 
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AndrewE said:
my question would be if it is revenue-earning, why a 0 headcode, which I thought was only for light engines going to work (e.g) 5Q57?
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They are working light engine to collect the stock to move as the revenue earning move.
 
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norbitonflyer said:
Not in revenue earning service quite yet - wait until that "0" becomes a "5"
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All part of the same flow so technically…

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800001 said:
Question, if revenue earning, why do they still run as a 'Q' headcode?
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The Q headcode is because the class 93’s have a NRSC document that allows revenue earning work rather than just testing/light engine movements. I believe they are awaiting other documentation to be added to the sections appendix but I am sure someone on here will be able to confirm/deny/add to the reasoning.
 
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Presumably this 10:02 5Q46 to Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings BUT then what ?.

Realtime Trains | 5Q46 1002 Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings | 07/10/2025

Real-time train running information for 5Q46 1002 departure from Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings on 07/10/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Nothing I could jump to conclusions on for the rest of today, tomorrow or Thursday (09/10/2025).
 
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At about 7:20 in this video (not mine), the 93s plus barrier vehicles are heading through Manea yesterday (07/10/2025) towards Ely:

 
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Noddy said:
In BR days it would probably have all gone by road because it was cheaper.
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Off-topic, but worth mentioning: when I was Commuted Charges Manager at Railfreight Distribution I was constantly challenging "free-on-rail" movements that used locally-arranged RfD resources, but for which the organiser had hoped I wouldn't notice and not send an invoice. My going-rate was £2,000 for a short haul and, once they realised they couldn't get away with it, heavy-hauliers like Allelys usually got the business.
 
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Oxfordblues said:
Off-topic, but worth mentioning: when I was Commuted Charges Manager at Railfreight Distribution I was constantly challenging "free-on-rail" movements that used locally-arranged RfD resources, but for which the organiser had hoped I wouldn't notice and not send an invoice. My going-rate was £2,000 for a short haul and, once they realised they couldn't get away with it, heavy-hauliers like Allelys usually got the business.
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Thus depriving RfD of any revenue...
 
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Oxfordblues said:
My going-rate was £2,000 for a short haul and, once they realised they couldn't get away with it, heavy-hauliers like Allelys usually got the business.
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Doesn't that mean that your going rate was too high?
 
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800001 said:
From the wnxx website, they imply the 93s will be moving 175s from Ely to Wolverton.
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Aren't the 175 drags 45mph maximum and relatively light loads? That'll be a great test of the class 93's 4600kW overhead power and 110mph top speed :lol:

That'll be two locomotives with a combined cost of something like £10 million [correction: ~£4 million per loco so ~£8 million for two. Source: https://www.railengineer.co.uk/re-engineering-rail-freight/], earning what I can only imagine is a small amount. I'm struggling to see how ROG expects to make ends meet unless they have something in the Pipeline.
 
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BRX said:
Doesn't that mean that your going rate was too high?
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Yes, it was clearly too high but I needed to ensure that all costs were covered. People who knew eachother socially at places like Crewe made unofficial local arrangements to move rolling-stock between sites. They probably got away without paying more often than not!
 
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