Class 458/5

[Juniper Driver]

Does anyone know if these units are in service yet? If not, why? They can't still be busy on staff training!

504 is confined to clapped out yard shed crew training...Pretty sure I saw 503 in Wim Yd.I know of a driver who has been called up in March for training almost a year after I learnt them.Check Post #1988 Pg133

 

[nuts & bolts]

I think that 350 was a touch lost...

Not quite.............oversize digit depressing iphone keypad whilst on aproach to plat 11 at Waterlooo

 

[Defiance149]

Can anyone confirm the ID of 458505's fifth vehicle please?

 

[racklam]

I was on the 7:38 from Staines this morning (ex Windsor), which is usually 2 x 458/5s, but was only one (extremely busy!) unit, 458520 I think.

Anybody know why this was short formed? Would that normally have been the unit that's got a hole in the floor?

 

[SWT_USER]

I was on the 7:38 from Staines this morning (ex Windsor), which is usually 2 x 458/5s, but was only one (extremely busy!) unit, 458520 I think.

Anybody know why this was short formed? Would that normally have been the unit that's got a hole in the floor?

Likewise, this is my usual train. Glad it is half term this week or I would have been unable to board at Feltham.

This capacity increase from 8 coaches to 5 isn't really doing it for me at the moment :cry:

 

[Juniper Driver]

I was on the 7:38 from Staines this morning (ex Windsor), which is usually 2 x 458/5s, but was only one (extremely busy!) unit, 458520 I think.

Anybody know why this was short formed? Would that normally have been the unit that's got a hole in the floor?

Probably not.Im surprised that 520 is out so quick,where is 530?

 

[hassaanhc]

I got the 0659 Hounslow to Waterloo today, which was the usual 10 coaches . Front unit was 458533, didn't see the rear. When I last used it, about 5-6 weeks ago, a single unit turned up which got wedged, but today's 10 car had a fair amount of standing space available at Wandsworth Town. As usual I saw people at Putney and Clapham Junction trying to save 3 minutes by getting on the wedged 0612 Reading to London Waterloo pair of Desiros (6 minutes if it was on time, but it wasn't).

458536+458532 were on the 0745 Waterloo to Hounslow.

 

[randompixel]

Likewise, this is my usual train. Glad it is half term this week or I would have been unable to board at Feltham.

This capacity increase from 8 coaches to 5 isn't really doing it for me at the moment :cry:

Ditto. Anything less than 8 on this service isn't pleasant, and makes the following extra peak service 10 minutes later pretty unpleasant too.

 

[Juniper Driver]

Ditto. Anything less than 8 on this service isn't pleasant, and makes the following extra peak service 10 minutes later pretty unpleasant too.

Will try my hardest...I have another 459 couple up job coming up on Wednesday.

 

[hassaanhc]

Now I'm on the 1737 Waterloo to Hounslow, which is the same set I got this morning (the inter-peak stabler one). 458533+458502 are the units. However, this morning it was 458533 DMSO 67916 on the outer end, and now it is the other one 67917, so the consist has changed at some point.

Other observations:
At stations, Virginia Water towards Weybridge is announced as Front 5 coaches.
DMSO 67905 (I think) of 458532: For at least 2-3 months the sliding inter-car door has not been working, nor has the LED screen near the outer end vestibule.
Syon Lane had a notice showing what distance from the end of the platform to install the ASDO beacon.
Inner end bogie of DMSO 67916 in 458533: Intermittent loud high pitched sound when stopped :?.

 

[WWTownEnth]

Conked out somewhere along its way into Waterloo last night. Door(s) on coach C were malfunctioning. Eventually made it at 2115. Operated a very delayed 2107 to Houslow but all doors to coach C had to be locked off for the journey.

It seems not one of these units is managing to make it through a week without a problem.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Conked out somewhere along its way into Waterloo last night. Door(s) on coach C were malfunctioning. Eventually made it at 2115. Operated a very delayed 2107 to Houslow but all doors to coach C had to be locked off for the journey.

It seems not one of these units is managing to make it through a week without a problem.

I wonder if SWT might add more units to their order for Desiro Cities to replace the 458s (if they did that would it make sense for them to all add enough units to the order to replace the 455s and 456s?)

 

[Via Bank]

I wonder if SWT might add more units to their order for Desiro Cities to replace the 458s (if they did that would it make sense for them to all add enough units to the order to replace the 455s and 456s?)

Given it a couple of years. Once they're all delivered and bedded in, it will probably depend if reliability improves in the same way it did originally with the 458s. (Also on ££££)

 

[swt_passenger]

I wonder if SWT might add more units to their order for Desiro Cities to replace the 458s (if they did that would it make sense for them to all add enough units to the order to replace the 455s and 456s?)

Can't see it with the 458/5s potentially having another 25 years in service.

Replacing the 455s and 456s will also be covered by the completely new stock for Crossrail 2 if it happens when expected. That fits in well with the probable remaining life of the 455s following the latest DDA mods and retractioning. (anyone might think that has been the plan all along!)

So replacing the 455s will be out of the future SW franchisee's hands, in a similar way to how Crossrail 1 and LO transfer of some routes impacted on the Anglia franchise future rolling stock plans. Replacing their 315s, has basically fallen off the agenda and became TfL's issue.

 

[Driver@swt]

8027 being towed for conversion from Wimbledon tonight (Wed-Thurs am).

 

[WWTownEnth]

458501 Out of service - fire damaged
458502 In service
458503 Crew Training Clapham Yard
458504 Crew Training Clapham Yard
458505 Wimbledon testing
458510 Doncaster
458511 Doncaster
458020 In service
458024 Doncaster
458025 Doncaster
458027 Doncaster
458530 Wimbledon testing
458531 In service
458532 In service
458533 In service
458534 In service
458535 In service
458536 In service

Hard to believe but that's now 18 of the 36 units at some stage of the conversion process!

 

[hassaanhc]

458501 Out of service - fire damaged
458502 In service
458503 Crew Training Clapham Yard
458504 Crew Training Clapham Yard
458505 Wimbledon testing
458510 Doncaster
458511 Doncaster
458020 In service
458024 Doncaster
458025 Doncaster
458027 Doncaster
458530 Wimbledon testing
458531 In service
458532 In service
458533 In service
458534 In service
458535 In service
458536 In service

Hard to believe but that's now 18 of the 36 units at some stage of the conversion process!

In the "TOPS Request" thread, I asked about the rear unit of my Monday's train 0659 Hounslow to Waterloo, and it was reported as 458503 (with 458533). Therefore, assuming the info entered in is correct, it has entered service. Even if when the diagram continued in the evening peak it had been swapped with 458502, coupled to the other end of 458533.
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Grrr. Got 458532+458536 again (1737 Waterloo to Hounslow). This time DMSO 67904 is leading, and has a very squeaky inner bogie which makes the noise even with the tiniest movement. At least 67905 with the broken inter-car door didn't have that problem. Should have chosen the sixth coach and a DMSO of 458536, would have had no problem getting my favourite seat as it arrived in front of me

 

[Goldfish62]

458501 Out of service - fire damaged
458502 In service
458503 Crew Training Clapham Yard
458504 Crew Training Clapham Yard
458505 Wimbledon testing
458510 Doncaster
458511 Doncaster
458020 In service
458024 Doncaster
458025 Doncaster
458027 Doncaster
458530 Wimbledon testing
458531 In service
458532 In service
458533 In service
458534 In service
458535 In service
458536 In service

Hard to believe but that's now 18 of the 36 units at some stage of the conversion process!

Indeed, yet the number in service at once never seems to increase!:roll:

 

[southern442]

As we approach May we approach the month in which the new hybrid Class 458 units are delivered and enter service. I'd imagine that Mays issue of modern railways will have some images of them and with articles like this surely it won't be long until we see the finished product compete with its 450 style front end?

Nearly 2 years later....

458501 Out of service - fire damaged
458502 In service
458503 Crew Training Clapham Yard
458504 Crew Training Clapham Yard
458505 Wimbledon testing
458510 Doncaster
458511 Doncaster
458020 In service
458024 Doncaster
458025 Doncaster
458027 Doncaster
458530 Wimbledon testing
458531 In service
458532 In service
458533 In service
458534 In service
458535 In service
458536 In service

Hard to believe but that's now 18 of the 36 units at some stage of the conversion process!

Have any other projects like this ever taken this long?

 

[TEW]

Thought it would be useful to post an update to the diagrams, appears to be 8 458/5s diagrammed in use everyday now. These are correct to the best of my knowledge but have only been compiled based on my own observations plus RTT, so I can't guarantee they are correct.

Diagrams 1&2 (10-Car)
5U07 0502 Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings London Waterloo 0539
2U07 0558 London Waterloo Windsor & Eton Riverside 0652
2U14 0723 Windsor & Eton Riverside London Waterloo 0821
2U17 0828 London Waterloo Windsor & Eton Riverside 0922
2U24 0953 Windsor & Eton Riverside London Waterloo 1049
2U27 1058 London Waterloo Windsor & Eton Riverside 1152
2U34 1223 Windsor & Eton Riverside London Waterloo 1319
2U37 1328 London Waterloo Windsor & Eton Riverside 1422
2U44 1453 Windsor & Eton Riverside London Waterloo 1549
2U47 1558 London Waterloo Windsor & Eton Riverside 1652
2U54 1723 Windsor & Eton Riverside London Waterloo 1819
2U57 1828 London Waterloo Windsor & Eton Riverside 1923
2U64 1953 Windsor & Eton Riverside London Waterloo 2049
2U67 2058 London Waterloo Windsor & Eton Riverside 2152
2U74 2223 Windsor & Eton Riverside London Waterloo 2323
5Y92 2330 London Waterloo Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings 0012

Diagrams 3&4 (10-Car)
5R05 0545 Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings London Waterloo 0602
2R05 0615 London Waterloo London Waterloo 0742
2S15 0752 London Waterloo Weybridge 0909
2S24 0933 Weybridge London Waterloo 1056
5Y87 1104 London Waterloo Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings 1151
5V51 1704 Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings London Waterloo 1727
2V51 1737 London Waterloo London Waterloo 1902
2R57 1915 London Waterloo London Waterloo 2041
2S67 2052 London Waterloo Weybridge 2207
2S76 2233 Weybridge London Waterloo 2356
5Y48 0012 London Waterloo Clapham Yard Sidings 0042

Diagram 5 (5-Car)
5S03 0454 Clapham Yard Sidings Staines 0534 (with Diagram 6)
2S03 0544 Staines Weybridge 0607 (with Diagram 6)
2S12 0632 Weybridge London Waterloo 0757 (with Diagram 6)
2V13 0810 London Waterloo London Waterloo 0934 (with Diagram 6)
2R19 0945 London Waterloo London Waterloo 1111
2S29 1122 London Waterloo Weybridge 1237
2S38 1303 Weybridge London Waterloo 1426
2V39 1437 London Waterloo London Waterloo 1602
2R45 1615 London Waterloo London Waterloo 1741 (with Diagram 6)
2S55 1752 London Waterloo Weybridge 1910 (with Diagram 6)
2S64 1937 Weybridge London Waterloo 2056 (with Diagram 6)
2V65 2107 London Waterloo London Waterloo 2232 (with Diagram 6)
5Y93 2242 London Waterloo Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings 2321 (with Diagram 6)

Diagram 6 (5-Car)
5S03 0454 Clapham Yard Sidings Staines 0534 (with Diagram 5)
2S03 0544 Staines Weybridge 0607 (with Diagram 5)
2S12 0632 Weybridge London Waterloo 0756 (with Diagram 5)
2V13 0810 London Waterloo London Waterloo 0932 (with Diagram 5)
2S23 0952 London Waterloo Weybridge 1107
2S32 1133 Weybridge London Waterloo 1256
2V33 1307 London Waterloo London Waterloo 1432
2R45 1615 London Waterloo London Waterloo 1741 (with Diagram 5)
2S55 1752 London Waterloo Weybridge 1910 (with Diagram 5)
2S64 1937 Weybridge London Waterloo 2056 (with Diagram 5)
2V65 2107 London Waterloo London Waterloo 2232 (with Diagram 5)
5Y93 2242 London Waterloo Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings 2321 (with Diagram 5)

Diagram 7 (5-Car)
5V05 0612 Clapham Yard Sidings Hounslow 0646 (with Diagram 8)
2V05 0648 Hounslow London Waterloo 0734 (with Diagram 8)
2R11 0745 London Waterloo London Waterloo 0913 (with Diagram 8)
2S21 0922 London Waterloo Weybridge 1037 (with Diagram 8)
2S30 1103 Weybridge London Waterloo 1226 (with Diagram 8)
2V31 1237 London Waterloo London Waterloo 1402 (with Diagram 8)
2R39 1445 London Waterloo London Waterloo 1611
2S49 1622 London Waterloo Weybridge 1740
2S58 1807 Weybridge London Waterloo 1926
2V59 1937 London Waterloo London Waterloo 2102
5Y36 2110 London Waterloo Clapham Yard Sidings 2140

Diagram 8 (5-Car)
5V05 0612 Clapham Yard Sidings Hounslow 0646 (with Diagram 7)
2V05 0648 Hounslow London Waterloo 0734 (with Diagram 7)
2R11 0745 London Waterloo London Waterloo 0913 (with Diagram 7)
2S21 0922 London Waterloo Weybridge 1037 (with Diagram 7)
2S30 1103 Weybridge London Waterloo 1226 (with Diagram 7)
2V31 1237 London Waterloo London Waterloo 1402 (with Diagram 7)
2R37 1415 London Waterloo London Waterloo 1541
2S47 1552 London Waterloo Weybridge 1708
2S56 1737 Weybridge London Waterloo 1856
2V57 1907 London Waterloo London Waterloo 2032
2R63 2045 London Waterloo London Waterloo 2211
2S73 2222 London Waterloo Weybridge 2337
5S73 2340 Weybridge Clapham Yard Sidings 0013

 

[Juniper Driver]

1615 Hounslow(10 Car) Wednesday and everytime I have worked it recently.
Forming 1752 Weybridge on return...I think your list covers it.

Had 536 (as usual) as a 5 car then 532 I think it was joined a bit later.

 

[WarrenTManager]

can anyone confirm the id of 458505's fifth vehicle please?

74425.
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Nearly 2 years later....



Have any other projects like this ever taken this long?

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I'm sure the powers that be would have a different answer now. Given time and a lot of facepalming, they will be great trains again.

You've got to remember the work is highly invasive to the door and electrical systems, the corrosion to the 460's, the ASDO infrastructure, the drivers stopping in the right place for the ASDO, the software changes, new couplers added weight and a myriad of different people involved makes for perhaps not such a simple task.

You've got to remember the 458/0 average 200,000 miles average per casualty. That's light years ahead of many others. Electrostar c 50k, 395 c 45k

They don't become 'bad' without a lot of mitigating factors.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

What's the current estimate for when all the conversions will be complete and all the units in service?

btw are they cleared for the SWML down to Weymouth? They must be cleared down at least as far as Poole because that rail tour goes down as far as Poole (or would the new ones be treated as a new class for the purpose of route clearance?)

 

[hassaanhc]

The diagrams look right . I have noticed the cheeky split before the evening peak and then getting them dispatched out into the country, in order to miss the peak . Saw it the other day when nosing about on RTT and thought "surely that can't be correct?" :P

 

[TEW]

The last two diagrams are odd. I can't imagine they're thr busiest services in the morning peak, the units are going round the Hounslow Loop for the busiest period of the peak. Then, as you say, they split and miss the evening peak almost entirely.

 

[SWT_USER]

The last two diagrams are odd. I can't imagine they're thr busiest services in the morning peak, the units are going round the Hounslow Loop for the busiest period of the peak. Then, as you say, they split and miss the evening peak almost entirely.

Given how terrible they have been so far splitting/ joining them at Waterloo is madness in my opinion.

 

[swt_passenger]

Have any other projects like this ever taken this long?

The original introduction of the 458/0s maybe? Back in 2005/6 or so, it was taken as read that they were going back to the ROSCO, probably to be scrapped.

 

[Juniper Driver]

The diagrams look right . I have noticed the cheeky split before the evening peak and then getting them dispatched out into the country, in order to miss the peak . Saw it the other day when nosing about on RTT and thought "surely that can't be correct?" :P

Is that the 1402 split which is still shown as a desiro on the traincrews diagram?

Given how terrible they have been so far splitting/ joining them at Waterloo is madness in my opinion.

Somehow I've managed with no problems.

 

[SWT_USER]

Is that the 1402 split which is still shown as a desiro on the traincrews diagram?



Somehow I've managed with no problems.

Could they put you on the 07.23 Windsor to Waterloo every morning then

 

[southern442]

The original introduction of the 458/0s maybe? Back in 2005/6 or so, it was taken as read that they were going back to the ROSCO, probably to be scrapped.

Yes of course, I can remember that. It's really strange how it took so long to get them running normally, and then they are the mostreliable trains in Britain not too long after


And of course we must not forget, whenever we think things are going bad with the 459's, spare a thought for the Netherlands and Belgium and their Fyra train service.