Class 456's on the move?

[Pumbaa]

The coupling issue is one of electrical difference. They will work quite happily together (and have done so around the yards) but the problem arises when someone presses the Call for Aid in a 456 and it's being driven from a 455. The PIS/CtC/CFA module fitted to the 456s is a very different spec to the SWT 455s, and the Call for Aid is integral to that new system. The small mods done at Wolverton will undo this change, and the Driver of a 455 will quite happily be able to detect that someone is pressing the big red button in a 456 on the back (or vice versa).

Not a "can't do", a "won't do" until it's safe.

 

[TEW]

Does anyone know which 456's are working at the moment looking for 456011 is this working Ascot - Guildford services or in for refurb. Thanks

456011 is one of the units currently in service.

 

[87101]

Thanks for that info. TEW

 

[Monty]

The coupling issue is one of electrical difference. They will work quite happily together (and have done so around the yards) but the problem arises when someone presses the Call for Aid in a 456 and it's being driven from a 455. The PIS/CtC/CFA module fitted to the 456s is a very different spec to the SWT 455s, and the Call for Aid is integral to that new system. The small mods done at Wolverton will undo this change, and the Driver of a 455 will quite happily be able to detect that someone is pressing the big red button in a 456 on the back (or vice versa).

Not a "can't do", a "won't do" until it's safe.

Thanks for the confirmation mate, I figured it had to be something electrical or to do with the PIS/CFA.

 

[87015]

456+455+455 10-car trundling in and out of Waterloo today - looked to be marking up the platforms for something like Guard door release boards but could have been anything involving men in orange vests and spraypaint on the platform I suppose.

 

[59CosG95]

456+455+455 10-car trundling in and out of Waterloo today - looked to be marking up the platforms for something like Guard door release boards but could have been anything involving men in orange vests and spraypaint on the platform I suppose.

Which 456 was it? SWT colours or pale, faded Southern ones?

 

[hassaanhc]

Which 456 was it? SWT colours or pale, faded Southern ones?

Southern colours, with the 456 on the London end http://twitter.com/Sideshow_Matt/status/480713286275825665/photo/1
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456+455+455 10-car trundling in and out of Waterloo today - looked to be marking up the platforms for something like Guard door release boards but could have been anything involving men in orange vests and spraypaint on the platform I suppose.

Comment in the above Twitter link suggests "10 car cctv commissioning test run. [Wimbledon] Park to Wat. Both ways round kingston loop then one hounslow"

 

[TEW]

That would make sense. I'm not sure of what station have the equipment fitted but many SWT stations have CCTV equipment fitted to allow the guard to view the full length on the platform. It's interesting to note, and something I didn't realise, that Southern are running 10-car trains between Leatherhead and Guildford every Monday-Friday morning. Platforms along there were lengthened mainly for 10-car SWT services.

 

[physics34]

The coupling issue is one of electrical difference. They will work quite happily together (and have done so around the yards) but the problem arises when someone presses the Call for Aid in a 456 and it's being driven from a 455. The PIS/CtC/CFA module fitted to the 456s is a very different spec to the SWT 455s, and the Call for Aid is integral to that new system. The small mods done at Wolverton will undo this change, and the Driver of a 455 will quite happily be able to detect that someone is pressing the big red button in a 456 on the back (or vice versa).

Not a "can't do", a "won't do" until it's safe.

ah that rings a bell now, had problems coupling a 455 and 456 once at vic because of problems with the pass comm alarm button on the PIS module...

 

[WarrenTManager]

Signs up advising car park users of low loader delivery at WD tonight........

 

[Bigfoot]

Signs up advising car park users of low loader delivery at WD tonight........

Much cones and barriers in place in carpark with people in his gesturing wildly as I passed on the up fast just now...
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Driver H. Potter(@DriverPotter) tweeted at 2014-06-27 00:36:
I spy with my little eye, something beginning with "456." #newtoy #456003 #swtrains #10carrailway #hashtagoverload http://pic.twitter.com/GxwrGQHdB2

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Doesn't look quite as bad in the metro livery as what I expected. Looks like they've changed the shades of blue and yellow used unless that's just down to the ambient light conditions (looking at that photo and a pic of a 455 taken during the daytime).

 

[traji00]

Somehow it looks better than the previous image posted on here

 

[387star]

Weren't these beasts intended for south west trains (nse) when built?

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Weren't these beasts intended for south west trains (nse) when built?

They did see use on the branches that became Tramlink, and I guess what's now the Wimbledon branch of that system might have been part of the SouthWest franchise if it had stayed as heavy rail.

I agree that it looks far better in the great outdoors than it did inside!

 

[fgwrich]

They did see use on the branches that became Tramlink, and I guess what's now the Wimbledon branch of that system might have been part of the SouthWest franchise if it had stayed as heavy rail.

I agree that it looks far better in the great outdoors than it did inside!

Weren't these beasts intended for south west trains (nse) when built?

Indeed they were originally built for NSE's South Western division and were originally to see service on what they will largely working now out of Waterloo, but were hastily diverted to work for NSE's South Central division instead to replace the then elderly 2 EPBs still in use with NSE at the time, where they remained ever since until last year.

 

[Domh245]

They did see use on the branches that became Tramlink, and I guess what's now the Wimbledon branch of that system might have been part of the SouthWest franchise if it had stayed as heavy rail.

I'm fairly certain that the Wimbledon - West Croydon line was around for the very first couple of years of privatisation, but It wasn't an SW line, it was an SC line, which is why photos like this exist:

 

[Southern Dvr]

Wimbledon - West Croydon closed 31st May 1997 (3 years into privatisation) operated by Connex SouthCentral. The Elmers End - Addiscombe line (what was left of it) closed on the same day having been operated by Connex SouthEastern.

 

[Gibby26]

Some pictures from Paul Bigland of a completed 456 inside and out.

http://paulbigland.zenfolio.com/p75955891

 

[Emblematic]

And in the same set, pictures of the first 455 AC traction conversion. Excellent!

 

[fgwrich]

More external pictures from Anthony Christie on his page. One thing I've noticed though, the light's have been changed to the latest BMAC but stand prouder of the 456s face than the originals for some reason. Doesn't look too bad, but I'd possibly have taken the black above the windscreen - doesn't look as odd as London Midlands green 321 face though! Good to finally start seeing some progress on the SWT side though! And the interior looks rather good and suitable for the journeys that the 456s will be on. Presumably they'll be receiving SWTs digital Dorris at some point to replace Southern's Sonia?

http://antony-christie.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/south-west-trains-refurbished-class-456.html

 

[Pumbaa]

It should be in already.

 

[Monty]

I think they look very smart, a vast improvement over their previous incarnation. SWT red suits them!

 

[fgwrich]

I've just noticed too, They've taken the 456s eyebrows off from above their multi working cables! Which combined with the LED lights give it a slightly started look. But I rather agree with Monty, they are looking smarter than their previous incarnation in the former Southern livery - perhaps it's Southern's livery that's starting to look outdated too, the 455s also prove the point.

As for the PA, I did notice something in this photo but it looks like the older Southern one than the SWT type. That said, the Southern effort was located behind the cab so that obviously is the SWT one. Not that it matters!

http://paulbigland.zenfolio.com/p75955891/h2362f12c#h8f825d1

 

[DJL]

I've just noticed too, They've taken the 456s eyebrows off from above their multi working cables!

I, personally, think that change alone makes a big, and positive, difference to their appearance

 

[GatwickDepress]

My opinion is that Southern's livery on the 455s is the nicest - I know, it's absolute heresy.

Back onto the 456s, SWT really does suit it. Much nicer than NSE, which made them look unwieldy and chunky, and Southern's colour palette felt too pale for a two car unit.

 

[physics34]

My opinion is that Southern's livery on the 455s is the nicest - I know, it's absolute heresy.

Back onto the 456s, SWT really does suit it. Much nicer than NSE, which made them look unwieldy and chunky, and Southern's colour palette felt too pale for a two car unit.

Southern livery would be better if the dark green blocks around the windows was continuous as a broad band along the length of the coach.

SWT livery (the blue and red versions) to me is too bright and unprofessional, although i must admit it looks ok on the 456

 

[SansPareil]

Any ideas when the refurbished example will be going into traffic?

 

[Surreyman]

Any ideas when the refurbished example will be going into traffic?

456 unit in full SWT (newly painted) colours parked at Wimbledon depot yesterday.

 

[Juniper Driver]

456 unit in full SWT (newly painted) colours parked at Wimbledon depot yesterday.

Damn,forgot to look at it.