Class 43 disposals

[HMTrains]

That’s not what I said. I said the loco hauling 0E43 will be coming from Rectory Jn.

Dan

Surely if there is a locomotive hauling powercars its not light loco though?

 

[Razorblades]

I think there's a pretty hefty clue in headcode 0E43, to be fair.

 

[43096]

Realtime Trains | 0E43 0900 Laira T.& R.S.M.D. to Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings | 20/01/2026

Real-time train running information for 0E43 0900 departure from Laira T.& R.S.M.D. to Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings on 20/01/2026. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Move from Laira to Ely on Tuesday, interesting how it's a light loco move, could just be 2 power cars going

It will be for 43188/189. These are the only two Angel owned vehicles at Laira, hence why it shows as light engines.

 

[43096]

Surely if there is a locomotive hauling powercars its not light loco though?

Yes it is, because all three are locos.

 

[156444]

Surely if there is a locomotive hauling powercars its not light loco though?

Light loco doesn't only mean one loco - can be multiple locos on a 0 headcode

 

[wickham]

Yes it is, because all three are locos.

Yes, don't forget that HST Power Cars ARE locomtives (Class 43 indeed !) and up to six locomotives coupled can run as a Class 0 (ie: Light locomotive(s)) - in fact I think the official description might be one locomotive hauling up to six (so seven in total) anything more than this is treated as Exceptional and will be shown as Class 7 (prbably 7X..)

 

[HMTrains]

Light loco doesn't only mean one loco - can be multiple locos on a 0 headcode

Oh ok thank you for the correction.

 

[47286Dan]

37407 EPRL RECTRYJCR 550B371D19 F CARDIFCEN N

Will then work 0C38

This will be the loco going to laira to haul the 0E43 movement

Dan

 

[grecian ern]

0E43 37407 plus two HST power cars just passed through EX St. Tom. It does'nt look Voyager friendly at Dawlish this morning!

 

[DBS92042]

0E43 37407 plus two HST power cars just passed through EX St. Tom. It does'nt look Voyager friendly at Dawlish this morning!

43188 + 43189 in tow, the last of the Angel Trains HST stock at Laira

 

[37069]

0Z43 Laira - Totnes followed by 5Z43 Totnes - Carnforth in the system for tomorrow. Looks like new WCR power cars picking up Mk. 1s from the South Devon Railway en route.

Anybody know which power cars it's likely to be?

 

[43096]

0Z43 Laira - Totnes followed by 5Z43 Totnes - Carnforth in the system for tomorrow. Looks like new WCR power cars picking up Mk. 1s from the South Devon Railway en route.

Anybody know which power cars it's likely to be?

They’ll be from the five FRH owned power cars still at Laira, but as to quantity and numbers, I don’t know.

 

[37069]

43097, 43098 and 43198 bound for Carnforth apparently - https://www.flickr.com/photos/145100037@N05/55050766633/

 

[fgwrich]

43097, 43098 and 43198 bound for Carnforth apparently - https://www.flickr.com/photos/145100037@N05/55050766633/

Indeed, leaving the other 3 for Romic.

Unknown what the future will be for 088 though which will have to depart by road. It has also given up parts of its fairings for 188.

Of note, Laira has been busier with the scraper for 188 which has lost the dragon, unlike 187 which left with it on its trip to Ely.

 

[Tetragon213]

Realtime Trains | 0Z43 1134 Totnes to Carnforth Steamtown | 21/01/2026

Real-time train running information for 0Z43 1134 departure from Totnes to Carnforth Steamtown on 21/01/2026. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Not sure which locos are moving, but judging by the data above and the headcode, looks to be a few HSTs on the move to Carnforth.

 

[fgwrich]

Realtime Trains | 0Z43 1134 Totnes to Carnforth Steamtown | 21/01/2026

Real-time train running information for 0Z43 1134 departure from Totnes to Carnforth Steamtown on 21/01/2026. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Not sure which locos are moving, but judging by the data above and the headcode, looks to be a few HSTs on the move to Carnforth.

As above, 43097, 43098 and 43198. They were due to collect the Mk1s which have been on hire to the SDR for the winter season but a points failure meant they couldn’t get into Totnes Riverside.

 

[ExRes]

Realtime Trains | 0Z43 1134 Totnes to Carnforth Steamtown | 21/01/2026

Real-time train running information for 0Z43 1134 departure from Totnes to Carnforth Steamtown on 21/01/2026. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Not sure which locos are moving, but judging by the data above and the headcode, looks to be a few HSTs on the move to Carnforth.

43097, 43098 & 43198 are the power cars quoted, there's been a points problem at Totnes so they've not stopped to pick up the ECS

 

[adc82140]

So by my reckoning we have just 43092, 43093 and 43156 in a fit to run state at Laira, with 43088 as a parts donor not fit to travel by rail?

 

[Ashley Hill]

43097, 43098 & 43198 are the power cars quoted, there's been a points problem at Totnes so they've not stopped to pick up the ECS

Was that would n the NR or SDR points?

 

[reddragon]

Was that would n the NR or SDR points?

Didn't a class 802 derail there in the last few days?

 

[Ashley Hill]

Didn't a class 802 derail there in the last few days?

No,that was Paignton.

 

[D365]

From the HST preservation discussion...

... or remaining in the UK for Colas & Network Rail. Compared to the Western region fleet, the East Coast machines have faired well.

The East Coast power cars have indeed fared well, but would it be accurate to say that a majority of the ex-LNER IM (infrastructure monitoring) 43s are being stood down in favour of ex-CrossCountry 43s?

 

[43096]

From the HST preservation discussion...

The East Coast power cars have indeed fared well, but would it be accurate to say that a majority of the ex-LNER IM (infrastructure monitoring) 43s are being stood down in favour of ex-CrossCountry 43s?

No, all 10 remain on lease to Colas.

 

[fgwrich]

From the HST preservation discussion...

The East Coast power cars have indeed fared well, but would it be accurate to say that a majority of the ex-LNER IM (infrastructure monitoring) 43s are being stood down in favour of ex-CrossCountry 43s?

What you also need to remember is both the XC and East Coast power cars were re-engineered to the same standards during their time at Brush. Both have the upgraded electronics, WSP and BRUSH radiators so there wouldn’t be much in it if Colas did want to swap power cars.

All modifications the Western Power Cars didn’t receive, and why ScotRail has somewhat been paying the price for (eg upgraded electronics and WSP).

 

[D365]

What you also need to remember is both the XC and East Coast power cars were re-engineered to the same standards during their time at Brush. Both have the upgraded electronics, WSP and BRUSH radiators so there wouldn’t be much in it if Colas did want to swap power cars.

All modifications the Western Power Cars didn’t receive, and why ScotRail has somewhat been paying the price for (eg upgraded electronics and WSP).

Thank you for the additional detail.

 

[Tetragon213]

43097, 43098 & 43198 are the power cars quoted, there's been a points problem at Totnes so they've not stopped to pick up the ECS

Saw some videos of the units being moved, it was indeed those 3.

I was expecting the GWR branding to be removed. What I didn't expect was the nameplates to also be gone as well, which is a shame.

 

[43096]

I was expecting the GWR branding to be removed. What I didn't expect was the nameplates to also be gone as well, which is a shame.

The nameplates belong to GWR.

 

[Ashley Hill]

I was expecting the GWR branding to be removed. What I didn't expect was the nameplates to also be gone as well, which is a shame.

I expect they will be sold through GWRA auctions.

 

[Tetragon213]

The nameplates belong to GWR.

That would explain a lot. It's a shame 198 is losing her plates; the fact that she is not only the last powercar, but also named for 2 drivers who lost their lives while signed on for duty was what made her my favourite loco. I didn't know plates were the TOC's property!

I expect they will be sold through GWRA auctions.

Any bets on what the prices will be?

 

[fgwrich]

The nameplates belong to GWR.

As do the cast GWR letters which I’m sure will probably find their way to auction at some point.

198’s nameplates may end up being kept by GWR given their significance though.