Class 387

[Crossover]

Based on the pictures of First Class a couple of pages ago I really can't imagine the first class passengers being particularly happy with that.. Not even a door to separate the area and exactly the same seats?! It's just going to constantly end up with people sitting in there because they don't even realise it's first class and yet more threads appearing on here with people getting penalty fares for it.. Very bad move.

Well there is the odd thing, it seems that they have been designed for that entire section I have photted, up to the internal doors, to be First Class (most seats have velcro on them ready to receive antimacassars) but they have instead just got First in the small section behind the driver, about a good 1/4 of which is a sodding luggage rack!

is the door further down the carriage as maybe the 1st class section will be extended when they leave Thameslink?
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Also what is going on with the seat pattern? looks very random

The seat patterns *appear* to be different to designate Standard and First seating - but they've knackered that by having the section mentioned above as Standard. A couple of seats are also priority and have a different pattern, plus a big P embroided onto the headrest

Possibly, but having seen how bad first class is now marked on a range of GTR trains I do actually feel a bit sorry for some people who will be caught unawares.

Not on GTR but we were on a 377 earlier in the day of the type that has no dividing doors. Pretty sure some of the others sat there had maybe not noticed the tiny "1"'s on the windows given there is nothing much to differentiate the two areas!

 

[Class377/5]

Well there is the odd thing, it seems that they have been designed for that entire section I have photted, up to the internal doors, to be First Class (most seats have velcro on them ready to receive antimacassars) but they have instead just got First in the small section behind the driver, about a good 1/4 of which is a sodding luggage rack!

That's because the current Electrostars on Thameslink First Class have 10 seats and this means the capacity of First Class stays the same. As for complaining about the luggage rack, it's actually better situation as they can keep large luggage closer.

Future operators may deal with the issue differently.

 

[Rick1984]

but when you look at the pictures from previous page there is clearly a mismatch in pattern on one of the table seats that appears to have nothing to do with priority or 1st class

 

[21C101]

Monday/Tuesday this week

301/302
2W98 0510 Brighton to Bedford
1W15 0758 Bedford to Brighton
2W28 1037 Brighton to Bedford
1W39 1354 Bedford to Brighton
2W52 1637 Brighton to Bedford
2W67 1954 Bedford to Brighton
2W78 2311 Brighton to Bedford

303/304
1W05 0518 Bedford to Brighton
2W16 0807 Brighton to Bedford
2W35 1110 Bedford to Brighton
1W30 1404 Brighton to Bedford
1W51 1654 Bedford to Brighton
2W64 1937 Brighton to Bedford

305/306
2W09 0416 Bedford to Brighton
1W04 0734 Brighton to Bedford
1W25 1024 Bedford to Brighton
2W38 1307 Brighton to Bedford
2W55 1608 Bedford to Brighton
1W50 1904 Brighton to Bedford
2W75 2152 Bedford to Brighton

Wednesday (Christmas Eve)

301/302
2W91 0242 Bedford to Brighton
1W00 0602 Brighton to Bedford
1W19 0854 Bedford to Brighton
2W32 1137 Brighton to Bedford
2W49 1440 Bedford to Brighton
1W44 1734 Brighton to Bedford
2W69 2022 Bedford to Brighton

303/304
2W00 0525 Brighton to Bedford
1W17 0824 Bedford to Brighton
2W30 1107 Brighton to Bedford
2W47 1410 Bedford to Brighton
1W42 1704 Brighton to Bedford

305/306
2W09 0416 Bedford to Brighton
1W04 0734 Brighton to Bedford
1W25 1024 Bedford to Brighton
2W38 1307 Brighton to Bedford
2W55 1608 Bedford to Brighton
1W50 1904 Brighton to Bedford

Cheers, I know which trains to avoid now.

 

[asylumxl]

The 387 are more advanced. The CRSE works by deacon's on the track so isn't quite that clever but depends where driver stops.

Those poor deacons, being on track all day. Doing God's work.

 

[Aictos]

Class 377/5 when you get the workings for next week please let us know as I am actually interested in doing a full Bedford to Brighton return on them

 

[387star]

but when you look at the pictures from previous page there is clearly a mismatch in pattern on one of the table seats that appears to have nothing to do with priority or 1st class

I noticed that

A change of heart part way through perhaps

 

[Crossover]

but when you look at the pictures from previous page there is clearly a mismatch in pattern on one of the table seats that appears to have nothing to do with priority or 1st class

Yeah - just looked back at that. It a little bit ducked up

 

[21C101]

Class 377/5 when you get the workings for next week please let us know as I am actually interested in doing a full Bedford to Brighton return on them

A local equine merchants near me sells some potion for saddle sores. You might need some after five hours on one

 

[Aictos]

A local equine merchants near me sells some potion for saddle sores. You might need some after five hours on one

Haha, I be working anyway on them

 

[Bald Rick]

Bless them, now a pair want to have a good long look at Haywards Heath station...

 

[Deepgreen]

Based on the pictures of First Class a couple of pages ago I really can't imagine the first class passengers being particularly happy with that.. Not even a door to separate the area and exactly the same seats?! It's just going to constantly end up with people sitting in there because they don't even realise it's first class and yet more threads appearing on here with people getting penalty fares for it.. Very bad move.

Completely right there - every batch of new stock makes the First Class provision progressively worse. If I were a conspiracy theorist I'd think that Govia were trying to make things so bad that they could justify withdrawing all First completely. As I'm not, it must just be incompetence.

 

[Class377/5]

Those poor deacons, being on track all day. Doing God's work.

Oh, new tablet is a bit aggressive in changing what I type.

Class 377/5 when you get the workings for next week please let us know as I am actually interested in doing a full Bedford to Brighton return on them

Should in theory be same as mon/tues this week but will try to update you. New year I've not got a clue yet what they will do.

Bless them, now a pair want to have a good long look at Haywards Heath station...

I was waiting for them at Brighton, thought they wouldn't make it with that fault. Nevermind. Now on 109/111 playing up.

 

[Starmill]

I've got no idea which pair I'm on, but we're at East Croydon on a Brighton service.

 

[physics34]

Completely right there - every batch of new stock makes the First Class provision progressively worse. If I were a conspiracy theorist I'd think that Govia were trying to make things so bad that they could justify withdrawing all First completely. As I'm not, it must just be incompetence.

Why doesn't the DFT specify better first class?

Why don't govia improve first class considering its own management use first class.?

 

[Aictos]

Oh, new tablet is a bit aggressive in changing what I type.



Should in theory be same as mon/tues this week but will try to update you. New year I've not got a clue yet what they will do.



I was waiting for them at Brighton, thought they wouldn't make it with that fault. Nevermind. Now on 109/111 playing up.

Thanks fella

 

[21C101]

Those poor deacons, being on track all day. Doing God's work.

From the reports of the things expiring in various parts of the network, perhaps getting some deacons in to pray for them, that their engines function and that their seats doeth soften, verily, might be the best bet......

 

[Bald Rick]

The engine on the one I'm sat on (comfortably, for the last 40 mins) can't be working. Either that or it's very quiet. But we do seem to be going along alright.

At least their failure rate is somewhat better than LOROLs 172s when they were introduced. Their failures were measured in casualties per mile.

 

[Bletchleyite]

First Class in the Sarfeast is just a higher chance of a seat, no?

 

[Class377/5]

The engine on the one I'm sat on (comfortably, for the last 40 mins) can't be working. Either that or it's very quiet. But we do seem to be going along alright.

At least their failure rate is somewhat better than LOROLs 172s when they were introduced. Their failures were measured in casualties per mile.

Almost we must remember fleet introduction is like an bath tub. High failure can be expected initially but it must be said the 387s aren't doing too bad especially compared with the 377/6 fleet.

 

[samuelmorris]

Have they shed any door buttons yet? Or have they finally fixed that with the 387s?
I know it's something people go on about a lot, but seeing a missing button on a 377/6 I travelled on yesterday it reminded me how weak they must be to be disappearing on a train that's barely been in service for a year.

 

[jon0844]

I've gone on about it a lot, as I've reported it to AGA many times and every time they respond as if it's the first time anyone has told them. They also seem unconcerned about how much harder it is for people, especially those with poor eyesight, to use them.

I really do hope these buttons won't be a problem elsewhere (and I know 172s have similar issues).

 

[Deepgreen]

Almost we must remember fleet introduction is like an bath tub. High failure can be expected initially but it must be said the 387s aren't doing too bad especially compared with the 377/6 fleet.

387109 and 111 failed yet again this morning at Redhill. So much for the concept of testing and trialling before entering service! Very poor performance for the fleet so far.

 

[dmncf]

387109 and 111 failed yet again this morning at Redhill. So much for the concept of testing and trialling before entering service! Very poor performance for the fleet so far.

Do Bombardier provide their own staff to travel on the trains and work at GTR's depot to understand what faults are occurring on new trains and help keep them in service? I assume that Bombardier get fined by GTR if their new trains perform badly when introduced into service, and hence would have an incentive to do whatever they can to keep the trains in service.

 

[Bald Rick]

Do Bombardier provide their own staff to travel on the trains and work at GTR's depot to understand what faults are occurring on new trains and help keep them in service? I assume that Bombardier get fined by GTR if their new trains perform badly when introduced into service, and hence would have an incentive to do whatever they can to keep the trains in service.

Yes Bomardier usually have their guys sat with a laptop in the front compartment behind the driver. Today's failure (at Gatwick, not Redhill) needed a spanner and a saw rather than a laptop though.

Failure rate is definitely better than other recent Bombardier fleet introductions.

 

[notadriver]

The engine on the one I'm sat on (comfortably, for the last 40 mins) can't be working. Either that or it's very quiet. But we do seem to be going along alright.

At least their failure rate is somewhat better than LOROLs 172s when they were introduced. Their failures were measured in casualties per mile.

Only 3 (out of 8) of the bogies are powered and if you're not sitting directly above it you're unlikely to hear it.

 

[Aictos]

Yes Bomardier usually have their guys sat with a laptop in the front compartment behind the driver. Today's failure (at Gatwick, not Redhill) needed a spanner and a saw rather than a laptop though.

Surely not? More a pair of steel toe cap boots

 

[westcoaster]

I've gone on about it a lot, as I've reported it to AGA many times and every time they respond as if it's the first time anyone has told them. They also seem unconcerned about how much harder it is for people, especially those with poor eyesight, to use them.

I really do hope these buttons won't be a problem elsewhere (and I know 172s have similar issues).

The first one I drove 106 had an external button (outer ring) missing.

 

[21C101]

Yes Bomardier usually have their guys sat with a laptop in the front compartment behind the driver. Today's failure (at Gatwick, not Redhill) needed a spanner and a saw rather than a laptop though.

Failure rate is definitely better than other recent Bombardier fleet introductions.

Not sure I can agree with that. I don't remember incidents of S stock breaking down on the met circle and H&C when they were introduced about a year back.

And despite having to comply with LULs very strict fire regulations, the seats have damn sight more padding where you plonk your backside and are thus far more comfortable than 378s.

 

[jon0844]

I saw a few S stocks going around out of service with loads of people wearing orange hi-vis throughout. And didn't a whole load end up being sent back to Derby?