Class 377/7

[TEW]

From all the photos I've seen the 377/7s don't have the yellow stripe on the exterior. The /6s already have the internal doors, stickers and antimacassars so I can't see them being too much different.

 

[fusionblue]

Are any of the 377's that are going to FCC going to be regularly scheduled to go around the wimbledon loop or to sevenoaks?

 

[Class377/5]

Are any of the 377's that are going to FCC going to be regularly scheduled to go around the wimbledon loop or to sevenoaks?

There was the possibility of using the 377s around the Loop in booked service when the 6x 377/2 come in May but they can't be used in 8 car formation (and why Southern stopped using them in 8 cars) so they are staying 319s for now.

Sevenoaks route wont be getting 377s. They will go straight from 319s to 700.

 

[physics34]

Sevenoaks route wont be getting 377s. They will go straight from 319s to 700.

what about the 387s?

 

[Class377/5]

what about the 387s?

Same reasoning as the 377 as you have to retrain drivers and then retrain them a few years later again. Note the 387s aren't coming have first class according to Southern, something that's needed on some Thameslink Sevenoaks/Kent services.

 

[4-COR 3142]

They are currently on mileage accumulation between wembley and rugby and do run through Northampton. I can provide times, however, more often than not they are running early!

Am coming up to London with a few hours to spare tomorrow, are there set diagrams that they are working? with times etc. that you could share Alistair?

Many Thanks

3142

 

[Class377/5]

Am coming up to London with a few hours to spare tomorrow, are there set diagrams that they are working? with times etc. that you could share Alistair?

Many Thanks

3142

As I had perviously posted on reply 78.

AC testing paths

5M51 00:02 Stewards Lane depot to Rugby
Stewarts Lane Depot 00:02
Victoria 00:16 00:40
Kensington Olympia 00:58
Wembley Yard 00:12 01:14
Watford Junction 01:19
Milton Keynes 02:26
Northampton 02:41
Rugby 03:03

5L52 03:40 Rugby to Wembley Yard
Rugby 03:40
Northampton 04:05
Milton Keynes 04:22
Watford Junction 05:28
Wembley Yard 05:47

5M53 05:54 Wembley Yard to Rugby
Wembley Yard 05:54
Watford Junction 05:59
Milton Keynes 06:31
Weedon 06:44
Rugby 06:55

5L54 08:29 Rugby to Wembley Yard
Rugby 08:29
Northampton 08:51
Milton Keynes 09:08
Watford Junction 10:01
Wembley Yard 10:19

5M55 10:33 Wembley Yard to Rugby
Wembley Yard 10:33
Watford Junction 10:46
Milton Keynes 11:30
Northampton 11:45
Rugby 12:09

5L56 14:23 Rugby to Wembley Yard
Rugby 14:23
Northampton 14:43
Milton Keynes 14:57
Watford Junction 15:55
Wembley Yard 16:01

5M57 17:50 Wembley Yard to Rugby
Wembley Yard 17:50
Watford Junction 18:05
Milton Keynes 18:36
Northampton 18:53
Rugby 19:17

5O64 20:35 Rugby to Stewarts Lane Depot
Rugby 20:35
Northampton 20:57
Milton Keynes 21:10
Watford Junction 21:42
Wembley Yard 21:58 22:19
Kensington Olympia 22:47
Victoria 23:08 23:18
Stewarts Lane Depot 23:33

Do you wish for the DC paths as well?

Please note that these paths may change or be cancelled as 5O64 is currently at Harrow running 65mins early.

 

[4-COR 3142]

As I had perviously posted on reply 78.

AC testing paths

5M51 00:02 Stewards Lane depot to Rugby
Stewarts Lane Depot 00:02
Victoria 00:16 00:40
Kensington Olympia 00:58
Wembley Yard 00:12 01:14
Watford Junction 01:19
Milton Keynes 02:26
Northampton 02:41
Rugby 03:03

5L52 03:40 Rugby to Wembley Yard
Rugby 03:40
Northampton 04:05
Milton Keynes 04:22
Watford Junction 05:28
Wembley Yard 05:47

5M53 05:54 Wembley Yard to Rugby
Wembley Yard 05:54
Watford Junction 05:59
Milton Keynes 06:31
Weedon 06:44
Rugby 06:55

5L54 08:29 Rugby to Wembley Yard
Rugby 08:29
Northampton 08:51
Milton Keynes 09:08
Watford Junction 10:01
Wembley Yard 10:19

5M55 10:33 Wembley Yard to Rugby
Wembley Yard 10:33
Watford Junction 10:46
Milton Keynes 11:30
Northampton 11:45
Rugby 12:09

5L56 14:23 Rugby to Wembley Yard
Rugby 14:23
Northampton 14:43
Milton Keynes 14:57
Watford Junction 15:55
Wembley Yard 16:01

5M57 17:50 Wembley Yard to Rugby
Wembley Yard 17:50
Watford Junction 18:05
Milton Keynes 18:36
Northampton 18:53
Rugby 19:17

5O64 20:35 Rugby to Stewarts Lane Depot
Rugby 20:35
Northampton 20:57
Milton Keynes 21:10
Watford Junction 21:42
Wembley Yard 21:58 22:19
Kensington Olympia 22:47
Victoria 23:08 23:18
Stewarts Lane Depot 23:33

Do you wish for the DC paths as well?

Please note that these paths may change or be cancelled as 5O64 is currently at Harrow running 65mins early.

Fantastic - Many Thanks and.....if you've got DC paths that haven't been posted they would be helpful.

 

[Class377/5]

Fantastic - Many Thanks and.....if you've got DC paths that haven't been posted they would be helpful.

DC paths are (same as the 377/6)...

3Z31
Stewards Lane Depot 03:26
Victoria 03:41 03:51
Denmark Hill 04:01
Nunhead 04:05
Bellingham 04:10
Orpington 04:27
Sevenoaks 04:40
Tonbridge 04:48
Paddock Wood 04:54
Headcorn 05:05 05:16
Ashford 05:31

3Z31
Victoria 03:51
Brixton 03:59
Denmark Hill 04:01
Nunhead 04:05
Bellingham 04:10
Orpington 04:27
Sevenoaks 04:40
Tonbridge 04:48
Paddock Wood 04:54
Headcorn 05:05 05:16
Ashford 05:31

3Z32
Ashford 05:44
Headcorn 06:03
Paddock Wood 06:15
Tonbridge 06:24
Sevenoaks 06:31

3Z33
Sevenoaks 06:40
Tonbridge 06:47
Tonbridge Dn Loop 06:49 07:09
Headcorn 07:24
Ashford 07:39
Folkstone Central 07:59
Folkstone East 08:00
Dover Priory 08:09


3Z34
Dover Priory 08:21
Folkstone East 08:29
Folkstone Central 08:30
Ashford 08:42
Headcorn 08:51
Paddock Wood 09:05
Tonbridge 09:13
Sevenoaks 09:22
Orpington 09:29
Chislehurst 09:32
Grove Park 09:37
Grove Park Down CHS 09:45

3Z35
Grove Park Down CHS 10:16
Grove Park 10:24
Chislehurst 10:26
Orpington 10:35
Sevenoaks 10:44
Tonbridge 10:54
Tonbridge Down Loop 10:56 10:59
Paddock Wood 11:05
Headcorn 11:17 11:25
Ashford 11:40

3Z36
Ashford 11:50
Headcorn 11:59
Paddock Wood 12:08
Tonbridge 12:25
Sevenoaks 12:34
Orpington 12:43
Chislehurst 12:48
Grove Park 12:52
Hither Green 12:53
Parks Bridge Jn 12:55
Lewisham 12:58
Nunhead 13:02
Denmark Hill 13:09
Stewards Lane Depot 13:38

3Z37
Stewards Lane Depot 14:09
Denmark Hill 14:35
Nunhead 14:38
Bellingham 14:42
Swanley 14:53
Maidstone East 15:15
Charing 15:27
Ashford 15:41
Folkstone Central 15:57
Folkstone East 15:58
Dover Priory 16:07

3Z38
Dover Priory 16:17
Folkstone East 16:26
Folkstone Central 16:27
Ashford 16:42 16:51
Headcorn 17:09 17:31
Paddock Wood 17:40
Tonbridge 17:47
Sevenoaks 17:54
Orpington 18:01
Chislehurst 18:03
Grove Park 18:07
Hither Green 18:09
Parks Bridge Jn 18:12
Lewisham 18:17
Nunhead 18:31
Denmark Hill 18:40
Stewards Lane Depot 19:06

3Z39
Victoria 19:52
Brixton 20:20
Denmark Hill 20:29 20:32
Nunhead 20:37
Bellingham 20:42
Orpington 21:05
Sevenoaks 21:14
Tonbridge 21:24
Tonbridge Dn Loop 21:26 21:28
Paddock Wood 21:34
Headcorn 21:50 21:57
Ashford 22:12 22:14
Folkstone Central 22:28
Folkstone East 22:29
Dover Priory 22:38

3Z40
Dover Priory 23:11
Folkstone East 23:19
Folkstone Central 23:20
Ashford 23:37
Headcorn 23:47
Paddock Wood 23:56
Tonbridge 00:01
Sevenoaks 00:07
Orpington 00:14
Chislehurst 00:19
Grove Park 00:21
Hither Green 00:22
Parks Bridge Jn 00:24
Lewisham 00:27
Nunhead 00:33
Denmark Hill 00:40
Brixton 00:45
Victoria 00:53

3Z41
Victoria 01:03
Brixton 01:09
Denmark Hill 01:11
Nunhead 01:13
Bellingham 01:18
Swanley 01:29
Maidstone East 01:52

3Z42
Maidstone East 02:00
Otford Up Loop 02:15 02:40
Swanley 02:53
Beckenham Junction 03:02
Herne Hill 03:07
Stewards Lane Depot 03:32

3Z42
Maidstone East 02:00
Otford Up Loop 02:15 02:40
Swanley 02:53
Beckenham Junction 03:02
Herne Hill 03:07
Brixton 03:09
Victoria 03:16

 

[4-COR 3142]

Thanks again for that much appreciated.

 

[user15681]

377704 and 377705 were out on DC today, between Stewarts Lane and Dover on the usual afternoon diagrams 3Z37 and 3Z38. Not sure where they joined, 377704 was shunting around and left Stewarts Lane on its own at one point this lunch time before the run to Dover.

Unusual sight to see, they've done very little running on DC.

 

[swt_passenger]

377704 and 377705 were out on DC today, between Stewarts Lane and Dover on the usual afternoon diagrams 3Z37 and 3Z38. Not sure where they joined, 377704 was shunting around and left Stewarts Lane on its own at one point this lunch time before the run to Dover.

Unusual sight to see, they've done very little running on DC.

Everything to do with the traction electronics involved in DC operation is also involved in AC operation. Surely as long as the shoe gear and its associated wiring is confirmed OK AC testing is as good as DC testing?

What can really go wrong with a shoe beam and shoe gear?

 

[Class377/5]

Everything to do with the traction electronics involved in DC operation is also involved in AC operation. Surely as long as the shoe gear and its associated wiring is confirmed OK AC testing is as good as DC testing?

What can really go wrong with a shoe beam and shoe gear?

They still have a % of proving on DC. As for what can go wrong, lots. Everything needs to be proven in working order before a single passenger gets on.

 

[MCR247]

Everything to do with the traction electronics involved in DC operation is also involved in AC operation. Surely as long as the shoe gear and its associated wiring is confirmed OK AC testing is as good as DC testing?

What can really go wrong with a shoe beam and shoe gear?

Lets not forget who made them...

 

[samj]

When are these due to enter use? Is it still planned for next week? Many thanks In advance

 

[scoi]

When are these due to enter use? Is it still planned for next week? Many thanks In advance

Not on the Croydon MKC line, just got a response from Southern saying they are postponing the extension.

The peak train that goes past KPA at 17.50 is so full at present that they are telling people not to attempt to board and Kensington and Shepherds Bush.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

This must mean the planned move of 6 377/2 to FCC won't be happening just yet...

 

[Class377/5]

The 377/7 introduction will miss the timetable change but will happen shortly.

 

[scoi]

Any idea what "shortly" is, weeks or months? Obviously testing takes time, especially when faults are not easy fixes.

Southern won't reveal if they are close to being ready to be added to the service or way off.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Would it not be useful to add them to the general pool on some restrictive duties in order to run them in after testing? It doesn't seem productive to have brand new trains sitting idle.

 

[user15681]

Any idea what "shortly" is, weeks or months? Obviously testing takes time, especially when faults are not easy fixes.

Southern won't reveal if they are close to being ready to be added to the service or way off.

Some time soon, be patient.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Any idea what "shortly" is, weeks or months? Obviously testing takes time, especially when faults are not easy fixes.

Southern won't reveal if they are close to being ready to be added to the service or way off.

I can only presume then that this information is not in the public domain and Class 377/5 (if he knows) is not privvy to imparting this information here.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see as and where they turn up

 

[Domh245]

Or possibly because nobody knows... It may be that they expect it to be ready within a month but cannot nail it down to a date as it could easily be later than said date, with all the negative PR that goes with that

 

[Class377/5]

I can only presume then that this information is not in the public domain and Class 377/5 (if he knows) is not privvy to imparting this information here.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see as and where they turn up

The info is not public and I can't say much more than I already have.

 

[Techniquest]

Would it not be useful to add them to the general pool on some restrictive duties in order to run them in after testing? It doesn't seem productive to have brand new trains sitting idle.

Quite so, LM have that with their brand new 350/3s sitting around doing nothing. Yet they could quite happily be used for capacity-busting on busy Birmingham to London services, anyone using 350-operated services out of/into Birmingham in the evening peak will no doubt be able to testify this would be useful!

 

[33056]

There is a pair of 377/7s doing AC testing to Rugby again today, the first for some time; sorry don't know the actual numbers.

 

[455driver]

Would it not be useful to add them to the general pool on some restrictive duties in order to run them in after testing? It doesn't seem productive to have brand new trains sitting idle.

The units are still owned by the builder!
The leasing company won't accept ownership of the units until they have successfully completed the milage accumulation runs so how are you going to do that?

 

[Islineclear3_1]

The units are still owned by the builder!
The leasing company won't accept ownership of the units until they have successfully completed the milage accumulation runs so how are you going to do that?

Well I'm just a layman so I have no idea...
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Hope I'm allowed to post this here...

Read in a popular railway mag that the 377/7's are going to start M-F passenger workings from next week.

Is there truth/merit in this? Can this be made public now?

 

[Class377/5]

Well I'm just a layman so I have no idea...
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Hope I'm allowed to post this here...

Read in a popular railway mag that the 377/7's are going to start M-F passenger workings from next week.

Is there truth/merit in this? Can this be made public now?

No its not. They are referring to the original plan that have been abandoned. What will still happen is 377/6 on Victoria-Brighton runs on just Saturday I think. Two 10 car pairs.

As it stands the 377/7 are property of Bombardier and need to be accepted by Southern first. That said the first 377/7 working maybe on Metro duties.

 

[Domh245]

Will those 10 car brighton services be the non-stoppers (VIC/CLJ/ECR/BTN) or will they be operating on a different service?