Anonymous10
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All 150s will leave after the south Wales metro is complete with 153 units remaining for the howl service after full 197 introduction
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Class 175 future speculation
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Could the 175s do those services instead of 153s? Since they are younger and nicer units.
Topological
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Should the 175s actually stay to replace the 67s and MK4?
TfW could also look at services to Bristol using more of the 175s.
TfW could also look at services to Bristol using more of the 175s.
Anonymous10
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I believe its been mentioned here that the 175s have higher track access charges, it would also only require about 8 units all of which would be 2 carriages and they require specialist maintenance
It would be great to keep the 175's, but there's the big issue of maintaining them. The Mk4's won't be going anywhere for a while unless something drastic happens, as most of the carriages are owned by TfW now.
If maintenance could be transferred to Canton or a new Depot (Landore?) then the 175's would be ideal to keep West/HOWL and even new services Swansea-Bristol? But it all depends on if the numbers add up. The 153's won't last forever but there's currently no public plan to replace them.
But judging how there are 2 already stopped awaiting transfer back to the leasing company, it doesn't look like they will be staying.
If maintenance could be transferred to Canton or a new Depot (Landore?) then the 175's would be ideal to keep West/HOWL and even new services Swansea-Bristol? But it all depends on if the numbers add up. The 153's won't last forever but there's currently no public plan to replace them.
But judging how there are 2 already stopped awaiting transfer back to the leasing company, it doesn't look like they will be staying.
Intercity110
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Why don’t they get sent to East West rail and Bletchley, split between London Northwestern Railway, and Chiltern? Then they can run Marston Vale services as well.
Are they as unreliable as the 230s? I’m not sure.
Are they as unreliable as the 230s? I’m not sure.
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How many weeks extension would that actually deliver?
TfW have 26 153s. That is maybe 13 2-car 197s. Newport can probably produce those in four months work.
TFW are only keeping 8 x 153s. They will be withdrawing the others along with the 150s, 158s and 175s, when all the new stock will be in place.
The 8 they are keeping I believe is just for the HOWL services doubled up to 2 cars per diagram.
Yes. The HOWL would probably only need an extra 4 197s (2 cars). Its probabaly down to money however, the HOWL doesnt generate much profit given its limited service and how many people get free travel with bus passes in the Winter months.
The original plan was for the 170s to do HOWL when they 230s were able to replace them on the Maesteg/Cheltenham/Ebbw Vale lines. They were also going to do some other services like Shrewsbury-Crewe and Pembroke Dock. But that plan changed when it was decided the 170s would be going to EMR. The 197s will do Shrewsbury-Crewe and Pembroke Dock whilst the HOWL will keep the 153s.
It's a tiny facility, so some way can be found of making it last a while, even if it costs a disproportionate amount. To me, it seems like a perfect place to put a new TMD for the CAF units if WG are so desperate to put it in Wales.
Anonymous10
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No reason you couldn't have Chester for North and Newport for South?
That could improve reliability and would be a good compromise compared to spending a huge amount if money to build a larger, entirely new facility in Wales.
RailWonderer
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How many serviceable 175s are there at the moment? last I heard was 21 out of the 27 built. Northern who had them as Arriva* North Western was first raised on here as the best place for them, which I think would work wonders on their longer distance routes.
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*First.
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Anonymous10
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And you'd hope the people who built them would know how to fix them
SuperLuke2334
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The Marston Vale will form part of East West rail.
Bletchleyite
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Not initially.
61653 HTAFC
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It was First North Western, not Arriva. Of the initial privatised TOCs Arriva had Regional Railways North East and Merseyrail, and only then after they took over the ailing MTL company that won those franchises initially.
How do you get your units into the plant as last time I looked there was still no connection to the railway.
You would need to build an extremely short chord to link it to the railway, but there will be significant spare capacity at Canton anyway with the tram-trains being run from Taff's Well.
Prestige15
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Also a possibility on where they could end up. East West Rail
TT-ONR-NRN
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Not a word of a lie, that green actually caused my eyes physical pain when that image loaded.
zwk500
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EWR are getting 196s, at least to start with.
Prestige15
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TT-ONR-NRN
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It looks good, that shade of green is just VERY fluorescent
Prestige15
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Thank you, The first one actually looks rather Central Trains(ish)It looks good, that shade of green is just VERY fluorescent
Philip
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Have 175s ever worked timetable services out of Manchester Victoria - for either FNW/TPE/Northern/ATW/TfW?
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