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CAF class 197 Civity for TfW: News and updates on introduction.

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Jacob Porrett

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197001 has gone from Crewe South Yard to Wolverton Centre Sidings today (10/2/23) on 5Q70. 37601 and 37611 did the honors.
 

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Faults on the unit.

Planned for 017 to enter service next week at some point, for 175s to start being withdrawn after that. 101 may also be able to be accepted by the end of the month.
So are we expecting 175s to come to an end on Llandudno workings (With the exception of the diagram which attaches to the 20:30 Manchester-Cardiff) and being completely ran by 197s?
 

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Faults on the unit.

Planned for 017 to enter service next week at some point, for 175s to start being withdrawn after that. 101 may also be able to be accepted by the end of the month.
One would think replacing the fire damaged ones and any in bits on depots would be the first units to replace
 

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So are we expecting 175s to come to an end on Llandudno workings (With the exception of the diagram which attaches to the 20:30 Manchester-Cardiff) and being completely ran by 197s?
I don't know what order the diagrams will cease for 175s/ increase for 197s. All I do know is that once 15 197s have been accepted, 175s start being withdrawn on a 1 in 1 out basis.
 

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I don't know what order the diagrams will cease for 175s/ increase for 197s. All I do know is that once 15 197s have been accepted, 175s start being withdrawn on a 1 in 1 out basis.

Wow, the start of the end of the 175 era is almost here, it seems to have come around fast! I'd agree with the other person who suggested the damaged ones should be first to be withdrawn, that makes the most sense.
 

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Wow, the start of the end of the 175 era is almost here, it seems to have come around fast! I'd agree with the other person who suggested the damaged ones should be first to be withdrawn, that makes the most sense.
It does however depend on Angel's lease conditions of course. If they have to be returned in working order then they may well need repairing first.
 

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Heard that there are 3 diagrams on the Manchester-Llandudno route as well as Liverpool and Conwy Valley. Is this the first time 5 have been in service on the same day? Sounds like they are starting to speed up the introduction of the 197s.
 

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I assume its easier for a 197 to be allocated to the Conwy Valley branch if most others in North Wales are 197.
 

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Glad they’ve got rid of the 153 on the Blaenau branch for the tail end of the week. I know the 153s brakes are slow to release, but this one was awful.
 

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I assume its easier for a 197 to be allocated to the Conwy Valley branch if most others in North Wales are 197.
Correct. For the first week of 197 operation, when the only service was down the branch, it required it's own extra ECS working, as it couldn't travel down from Chester coupled to the Sprinters for the other early morning services from the Junction.
 

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Can 197s be stabled overnight at other locations at the moment or do they all start from Chester depot? (not including those that might be in Canton or Crewe and not in service yet)
 

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Can 197s be stabled overnight at other locations at the moment or do they all start from Chester depot? (not including those that might be in Canton or Crewe and not in service yet)
In an emergency they can be stabled overnight at Llandudno Junction. This happened once when they were first introduced to the Blaenau Branch.
 

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I don't know what order the diagrams will cease for 175s/ increase for 197s. All I do know is that once 15 197s have been accepted, 175s start being withdrawn on a 1 in 1 out basis.
Apologies if this has been discussed prior, but are the 175s been withdrawn completely, or just going off lease for now?

The 197s aren’t my favourite trains, but I am really impressed by the rate TfW seem to be introducing them
 

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Apologies if this has been discussed prior, but are the 175s been withdrawn completely, or just going off lease for now?

The 197s aren’t my favourite trains, but I am really impressed by the rate TfW seem to be introducing them
Withdrawn by TfW to go off lease and back to the ROSCO. They may be fully withdrawn and scrapped if a new lessor cannot be found.

Yes the rate is really good! About 1 a week. The first 3 car unit may be handed over towards the end of the month as well which is exciting!
 

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Path in tomorrow for a 197 move.

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**Mr Donnington Update (7/2/23)
TFW Class 197042 is the recent arrival at Donnington RFT bringing a total of 19 units stored at the site. A mixture of 2 and 3 cars.
Long shot, but don't suppose you know which units are parked in which location?
Had a really brief stop on the way into Telford yesterday so could only get a quick photograph from the A518 roadbridge (looking towards Telford)what was in that part of the yard.
From that It looks like these are parked up(all painted in TFW colours)

Line 1(nearest the freight offices) from the front.
197104 or 105(paperwork for either 197104 / 197105 in window* both at front of line but didn't write down in which line!)
197113
1970??
DT
Carriage
Carriage
Carriage
DT
Carriage(on buffer blocks)

Line 2
1970??
1970??
1970??
1971??
1971??
1970??(on buffer blocks)

Line 3
197104 or 105(paperwork for either 197104 / 197105 in window* both at front but didn't write down in which line!)
1971??
1970??
1970??
1971??
1970??(on buffer blocks)

Bit of a struggle of those on the blocks to be certain if it was a carriage or DT(was going off looking for steps and the top of a red front roof).
Gives a idea of what is about.
 

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197006 on 1D32 MIA-LLD at the moment however being swapped at Chester for 2x153s

Edit- I'm told it's no fault of the 197, just the next driver hasn't signed 197s yet.
 
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197006 on 1D32 MIA-LLD at the moment however being swapped at Chester for 2x153s

Edit- I'm told it's no fault of the 197, just the next driver hasn't signed 197s yet.
Swapping back over again at 11:52. So 006 will be back on diagram.
 

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Is the Conwy Valley permanently back to being booked for a 197?
 
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It seems to be happening again so I'd take a safe bet as yes as its an easy way to increase diagrams.
It certainly looks to be happening this week at least with the 21:45 off Llandudno only going to Chester and a separate service to continue onto Crewe which is how it was when the 197 was on the branch previously
 

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Long shot, but don't suppose you know which units are parked in which location?
Had a really brief stop on the way into Telford yesterday so could only get a quick photograph from the A518 roadbridge (looking towards Telford)what was in that part of the yard.
From that It looks like these are parked up(all painted in TFW colours)

Line 1(nearest the freight offices) from the front.
197104 or 105(paperwork for either 197104 / 197105 in window* both at front of line but didn't write down in which line!)
197113
1970??
DT
Carriage
Carriage
Carriage
DT
Carriage(on buffer blocks)

Line 2
1970??
1970??
1970??
1971??
1971??
1970??(on buffer blocks)

Line 3
197104 or 105(paperwork for either 197104 / 197105 in window* both at front but didn't write down in which line!)
1971??
1970??
1970??
1971??
1970??(on buffer blocks)

Bit of a struggle of those on the blocks to be certain if it was a carriage or DT(was going off looking for steps and the top of a red front roof).
Gives a idea of what is about.
I've got:
197103 (guessing)
197/0
197/0
197/0
197/0
197104 (guessing)
197/0
197/0
197/0
197105 (guessing)
197/0
197106 (Guessing)
197/0
197/1
197/1 2/3 of the unit is there
197/0
197027
197113

18 197s in total as of (13/2/23)
 

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