Big Man / Sam Main - no charges

[jon0844]

Mr Main, swearing and obnoxious. Agreed. But I was always taught about sticks and stones.

Mr Pollock. Aggressive and physically violent. Don't Agree. His actions could've resulted in broken bones.

But hey, if others (particularly the rail staff on this forum) want to to condone untrained people wading in to a situation and using physical force then that's fine. Just be careful what you wish for....

Mr Main could have attacked the guard, or even pulled a knife and stabbed him as things continued to get out of control, while everyone else just stared at the floor and pretended they didn't know anything was going on, no?

And if you wish to say 'but that didn't happen' then perhaps you should reconsider your comment 'His (Mr Pollock) actions could've resulted in broken bones.' as that didn't happen either.

 

[andykn]

It depends on what version of the story Main is telling these days.... there appear to have been quite a few versions if his previous Facebook posts and comments to the media are to be believed.

You never did tell us how you are related to Main did you?

You seem to be avoiding the Herald story at all costs. I've not seen anything about Mr Main apart from what's written in that Herald article, which, if true, shows Mr Main, whatever his version of events, was sold the wrong ticket and was not trying to evade paying his fare.

If you doubt the Herald story, just say so. If you've got any better information I be glad to hear it.
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The passenger has a choice, though ideally they should check anything they buy and bring any error to the attention of the vendor at the time of purchase.

If not, and of course, no one is perfect, then in the case of railway tickets it will usually be a case of buying a new ticket and contacting the issuer for a refund of the tickets that have been incorrectly sold. They should really try and sort the situation out as soon as they have realised what has happened, whether that be on trian or at the station.

As Yorkie said, it's irrelevant if he was trying to evade a fare or not, his behaviour on the train was unacceptable.

I agree his behaviour on the train was unacceptable. I was just making the point that, of all his sins, trying to evade paying the fare was not one of them.

 

[Geezertronic]

You seem to be avoiding the Herald story at all costs. I've not seen anything about Mr Main apart from what's written in that Herald article, which, if true, shows Mr Main, whatever his version of events, was sold the wrong ticket and was not trying to evade paying his fare.

If you doubt the Herald story, just say so. If you've got any better information I be glad to hear it

If you are referring to this article http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...reveal-student-was-sold-wrong-ticket.16216486 then who is avoiding it? Regardless of whether he was sold the wrong ticket or not, his behaviour to rectify the issue was idiotic and to be honest I was disgusted when I read he alledgedly tried to trip the conductor up - it's the first time I have heard that. It's no wonder he was asked to leave the train if the onboard CCTV shows that... I very much doubt the conductor would be back at work if he refused to deal with the issue when first approached as Main claims, I also expect witnesses to back that view up which doesn't appear to have happened.

 

[Smudger105e]

Erm, and how would he not have been?

Not sure about Scottish Law, but in England, a jury (and a Judge) will only be at a trial if the sentence for the offence can be over 2 years custodial, anything less is heard by Magistrates with no Jury. So a jury only sits at the most serious cases...

I very much doubt the conductor would be back at work if he refused to deal with the issue when first approached as Main claims, I also expect witnesses to back that view up which doesn't appear to have happened.

Didn't someone on the other (rather lengthy) thread say that the guard was only weeks away from retirement?

 

[Geezertronic]

Didn't someone on the other (rather lengthy) thread say that the guard was only weeks away from retirement?

You should have quoted my full sentence

I very much doubt the conductor would be back at work if he refused to deal with the issue when first approached as Main claims, I also expect witnesses to back that view up which doesn't appear to have happened.

The mere fact that the conductor has returned to work says a lot in the context of what Main claimed. I very much doubt that the conductor would have been allowed to have a photo oppertunity with the press had he been at least somewhat to blame for anything that happened that day.

 

[Michael.Y]

Anyone fancy setting up Big Man Rail Tours?

A 37 and six Pullmans for a once in a lifetime trip between Polmont and Edinburgh Park.

 

[jon0844]

And if you need assistance getting on and off, Big Man can drag you on or push you off as required.

 

[34D]

Mr. Pollock is deserving of some kind of award for his bravery. Anyone here close to the people behind the National Rail Awards for instance?

 

[DownSouth]

Mr. Pollock is deserving of some kind of award for his bravery.

Because it's so brave to pick on a kid half your size :roll:

 

[jon0844]

Because it's so brave to pick on a kid half your size :roll:

What does size have to do with it? Next time someone is asked to leave a train you have to measure and weigh them first? That's even assuming Big Man could see how big/small Mr Main was from where he was sitting.

He was told to get off the train. Whether it was the TM, another passenger, the driver or BTP, he had to get off.

 

[ANorthernGuard]

Because it's so brave to pick on a kid half your size :roll:

no its brave to eject an obnoxious foulmouthed, verbally abusive youth who thought he could pick on an old man 3 times his age and came unstuck when an upstanding member of the public saw what he what he was doing and did something about it!

 

[mailman]

Because it's so brave to pick on a kid half your size :roll:

No...brave because the easy option would have been to sit there and do nothing like everyone else. Just look the other way and pretend nothing is going on.

Sadly, sort of like all those brave commuters who stepped over the boy having a fit the other day or those brave commuters who do nothing to help someone who is being attacked on a platform etc.

So yes, the Big Man (tm) is brave...braver than you will ever know!

Mailman

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Because it's so brave to pick on a kid half your size :roll:

I think that your description of Main as " a kid" is somewhat removed from the reality of his age.

 

[jon0844]

He was of course acting like a kid, just as he did on his Facebook page the next day. In fact, the only credit I'll give him is that he didn't seem to kick up any fuss about it the next day - but then his dad got involved...

 

[andykn]

If you are referring to this article http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...reveal-student-was-sold-wrong-ticket.16216486 then who is avoiding it?

You were when you started on about Mr Main's apparently differing versions of events. It seems like it was admitted he'd tried to buy the correct fare and presumably paid the correct money.

Regardless of whether he was sold the wrong ticket or not, his behaviour to rectify the issue was idiotic and to be honest I was disgusted when I read he alledgedly tried to trip the conductor up - it's the first time I have heard that. It's no wonder he was asked to leave the train if the onboard CCTV shows that... I very much doubt the conductor would be back at work if he refused to deal with the issue when first approached as Main claims, I also expect witnesses to back that view up which doesn't appear to have happened.

Agreed

 

[34D]

Because it's so brave to pick on a kid half your size :roll:

Its not as though Mr Pollock started a fight with him. He was calmly, peacefully and lawfully ejected from the train.

 

[yorkie]

Because it's so brave to pick on a kid half your size :roll:

Kid?! This guy was 19 for goodness sake. Last month a 13 year old who is half the size of Mr Main was objecting to being called a kid. Anyone 13-15 doesn't go round calling themselves a kid, but you could get away with calling them that (if you wanted to be condescending) but 19, I don't think so.

Mr Main was a drunk, disorderly individual engaging in behaviour that I would describe as "chavish" or loutish. He was abusive, uncooperative and it was his resistance, clenching of fists and repeated attempts to launch himself onto the train that caused this to be anything more than a simple case of someone being peacefully - albeit reasonably forcefully - removed from the train.

 

[SouthEastern-465]

Kid?! This guy was 19 for goodness sake. Last month a 13 year old who is half the size of Mr Main was objecting to being called a kid. Anyone 13-15 doesn't go round calling themselves a kid, but you could get away with calling them that (if you wanted to be condescending) but 19, I don't think so.

Mr Main was a drunk, disorderly individual engaging in behaviour that I would describe as "chavish" or loutish. He was abusive, uncooperative and it was his resistance, clenching of fists and repeated attempts to launch himself onto the train that caused this to be anything more than a simple case of someone being peacefully - albeit reasonably forcefully - removed from the train.

Completely agree Yorkie. Taken the words right out my mouth!

 

[LondonJohn]

No...brave because the easy option would have been to sit there and do nothing like everyone else. Just look the other way and pretend nothing is going on.

Sadly, sort of like all those brave commuters who stepped over the boy having a fit the other day or those brave commuters who do nothing to help someone who is being attacked on a platform etc.

So yes, the Big Man (tm) is brave...braver than you will ever know!

Mailman

His actions spoilt his and his family's Christmas and upset his employer.. foolish is a more appropriate description.

 

[mailman]

His actions spoilt his and his family's Christmas and upset his employer.. foolish is a more appropriate description.

Which makes his actions all the more commendable. Lets just hope that there is someone like the Big Man around when you need help on a train.

Mailman

 

[LondonJohn]

Which makes his actions all the more commendable. Lets just hope that there is someone like the Big Man around when you need help on a train.

Mailman

No not at all as it gives people carte blanche to get potentially heavy handed and break the law.

I guess that in London the BTP have always attended the trains and buses that Ive been on where there has been antisocial behaviour with minimum delay.

How can his actions be commendable if they were an embarrassment to his employers.

 

[scotsman]

How can his actions be commendable if they were an embarrassment to his employers.

ScotRail's definition of embarrassment is a strange one, and is usually applied when negative publicity results - regardless of the cause.

 

[Zoidberg]

ScotRail's definition of embarrassment is a strange one, and is usually applied when negative publicity results - regardless of the cause.

I think that Mr Pollock's employers were being referred to, rather than, as you seem to have inferred, the conductor's.

Or have I misunderstood your post.

 

[RichmondCommu]

Mr. Pollock is deserving of some kind of award for his bravery. Anyone here close to the people behind the National Rail Awards for instance?

Bravery? Really 34D, really? Mr Pollock certainly does not deserve such an award. He clearly enjoyed his opportunity to use his size to intimidate other members of the public. Sadly this country is full of sad little communities which allow the likes of Mr Pollock to thrive. While I can understand railway workers wanting to defend their fellow workers (my father and grand father were both career railway men) some of the vitriolic language used on here towards Mr Main is very disappointing.

 

[ANorthernGuard]

Bravery? Really 34D, really? Mr Pollock certainly does not deserve such an award. He clearly enjoyed his opportunity to use his size to intimidate other members of the public. Sadly this country is full of sad little communities which allow the likes of Mr Pollock to thrive. While I can understand railway workers wanting to defend their fellow workers (my father and grand father were both career railway men) some of the vitriolic language used on here towards Mr Main is very disappointing.

Mr Main is an utter D**khead who deserved everything he got unfortunatly it is people with opinions like yourselves who let the likes of Mr Main do what they like that the country is in such a sad state!


It beggers belief that people actually stick up for the verbally abusive, obnoxious, arrogant Young ADULT who verbally assaulted the Conductor and continue to have a go at someone doing his utmost to help the Conductor and willing to stand up for Morals..unlike a few on this thread

 

[hairyhandedfool]

....He clearly enjoyed his opportunity to use his size to intimidate other members of the public.....

Really? Did he court the media and smile smugly at the cameras? Did he give statements to them, claiming he was being harshly treated? Did he do live interviews for BBC TV and Radio? Has he been seen to be laughing about it all on a social networking site?

No? Maybe his silence is a vital clue the he has one off the wrist over this?

....Sadly this country is full of sad little communities which allow the likes of Mr Pollock to thrive....

Christ! I'd love to meet just one of the likes of Mr Pollock. The likes of Mr Main I see every single day and every time I see them there seem to be more of them!

....While I can understand railway workers wanting to defend their fellow workers (my father and grand father were both career railway men) some of the vitriolic language used on here towards Mr Main is very disappointing.

I guess there is a small chance, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that Mr Main only just failed to get into Eton, Oxford or Cambridge, but we may never know that, such a shame we can't put that rumour to the test.

 

[Flamingo]

Sadly this country is full of sad little communities which allow the likes of Mr Pollock to thrive.

Well, I know which of the two I would prefer as passengers on my train, or as a neighbour. And it is not Mr Main.

There are communities that have been blighted by the behaviour of the Mr Main's in our society. It is attitudes like yours that have allowed them to do so. Mr Main precipitated the situation, and could have walked away at any point - he chose not to do so, because he has been taught that if you shout and demand and throw a little hissy fit, you get your own way. On this occasion he didn't. His fathers behaviour shows where that attitude came from.

 

[Greeny]

Bravery? Really 34D, really? Mr Pollock certainly does not deserve such an award. He clearly enjoyed his opportunity to use his size to intimidate other members of the public. Sadly this country is full of sad little communities which allow the likes of Mr Pollock to thrive. While I can understand railway workers wanting to defend their fellow workers (my father and grand father were both career railway men) some of the vitriolic language used on here towards Mr Main is very disappointing.

LondonJohn and RichmondCommu. You are wasting your breath - it isn't worth the grief you get for expressing your view.

G

 

[jon0844]

He clearly enjoyed his opportunity to use his size to intimidate other members of the public. Sadly this country is full of sad little communities which allow the likes of Mr Pollock to thrive.

HMMM, let me think... Do I want to live in a community full of people like Mr Main who are volatile and could kick off at any time and abuse or attack me or my family, or one full of people like Mr Pollock who sit quietly until enough is enough and do just enough to get things back to normality.

When people had respect for others, as well as for authority, I am sure things were a lot nicer for everyone. I would love to see society becoming more like that than the way it is going.

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[GB]

I didn't think this was about who you would rather be neighbours with?