Back in the day...

[Harpo]

I've heard "a complete revolution of the wheels" to be the threshold for counting a loco for haulage. So bumping the stock prior to being uncoupled would not count.

I’ve known folk count locos had while at work on parcels trains, some who have dotted lines for bankers, others who set minimum mileages, etc…. The rules are whatever you choose them to be.

 

[xotGD]

I've argued (tongue in cheek) that on an HST the front power car hauls the front half of the train and the rear power car pushes the back half of the train, so you should only count the power car you are closest to.

Better still, don't count them at all, as they aren't locos.

 

[SuspectUsual]

A lad I used to know in the midlands in the 1980s was, for his (obviously considerable) sins both happy to record all the haulage he had including DMUs (everyone else I knew merely used units for positioning moves) and would count both units for haulage if he had a pair despite never setting foot in one of them. But yeah, each to their own

 

[The exile]

A lad I used to know in the midlands in the 1980s was, for his (obviously considerable) sins both happy to record all the haulage he had including DMUs (everyone else I knew merely used units for positioning moves) and would count both units for haulage if he had a pair despite never setting foot in one of them. But yeah, each to their own

There is a certain logic (after all most people didnt set foot on all the locos they “had” for haulage).

 

[xotGD]

A lad I used to know in the midlands in the 1980s was, for his (obviously considerable) sins both happy to record all the haulage he had including DMUs (everyone else I knew merely used units for positioning moves) and would count both units for haulage if he had a pair despite never setting foot in one of them. But yeah, each to their own

There are plenty on here who fudge units in that manner.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

I used to consider haulage valid as long as it was between two stations, so Edinburgh/Haymarket for example was perfectly OK. However that does not help with diesel shunter moves, both 'Back in the Day', eg at Sheffield, or in preservation today. So, if it moves, it counts and goes in the book!

Again ,very guilty. In 1970 (yes I did haulage way before it became popular) I did the D5300S AND D5400s which became class 26 and class 27s between Waverly and Haymarket. Bonus, ticket inspectors would never grip you between those short haul stations!

 

[xotGD]

Christmas Eve - time to check out what is working the King's Cross - Dundee and Dundee - King's Cross relief services. A set of Mark 1s leaking steam, usually with something disappointing on the front.

 

[D6130]

Christmas Eve - time to check out what is working the King's Cross - Dundee and Dundee - King's Cross relief services. A set of Mark 1s leaking steam, usually with something disappointing on the front.

A Haymarket 40 in one direction and a York one in the other?

 

[Harpo]

Christmas Eve - time to check out what is working the King's Cross - Dundee and Dundee - King's Cross relief services. A set of Mark 1s leaking steam, usually with something disappointing on the front.

Yes. Cue boilered goyle, with the advantage that, unlike an EH one, there was a little bit of power left for hauling.

 

[D1537]

Christmas Eve - time to check out what is working the King's Cross - Dundee and Dundee - King's Cross relief services. A set of Mark 1s leaking steam, usually with something disappointing on the front.

A nice GD/FP/YK dual heat 47, that's the ticket. Or if you were lucky, an Immingham steam-heat one in the 47215-47224 series.

 

[Sultan1056]

A nice GD/FP/YK dual heat 47, that's the ticket. Or if you were lucky, an Immingham steam-heat one in the 47215-47224 series.

Or you could’ve been very happy to have a twin engined loco in the 550xx number range. Merry Christmas

 

[D1511]

Dundee - KX probably would have been a dull HA 47.......but always a chance of a gennie! The original 20, and the best

Happy Christmas everyone!

 

[xotGD]

Dundee - KX probably would have been a dull HA 47.......but always a chance of a gennie! The original 20, and the best

Happy Christmas everyone!

We'd be festering at Newcastle Central hoping that a pair of 26s would turn up on the southbound.

The fact that Gateshead hadn't sent over a replacement loco was a good indication that it wasn't to be.

 

[D1537]

Merry Xmas everyone. And I've dug up another moves book that I found in the loft while looking for the Xmas decorations, so you've got some more 47s to come (but not until April)

 

[xotGD]

Merry Xmas everyone. And I've dug up another moves book that I found in the loft while looking for the Xmas decorations, so you've got some more 47s to come (but not until April)

Excellent stuff.

 

[CD]

Thursday 1/1/1987

B438 Yeovil PM-Westbury (0853 Weymouth-Westbury)
33046 Westbury-Bristol TM (1V46 0830 Brighton-Cardiff)
45103 Bristol TM-Weston-Super-Mare (2C38 1525 Bristol-WSM)
45103 Weston-Super-Mare-Bristol TM (2C77 1620 WSM-Bristol)
45103 Bristol TM-Taunton (2C46 1722 Bristol-Taunton)
45103 Taunton-Bristol TM (2C85 1900 Taunton-Bristol)
33035 Bristol TM-Westbury (2O98 2015 Bristol-Portsmouth Hbr)
B434 Westbury-Yeovil PM (2110 Westbury-Weymouth)

Friday 1/1/1988

33208 Yeovil Jn-Salisbury (0723 Yeovil-Salisbury)
33023 Salisbury-Portsmouth & Southsea (0845 Salisbury-Portsmouth Hbr)
33039 Portsmouth & Southsea-Southampton (1015 Portsmouth Hbr-Swansea)
33064 Southampton-Portsmouth Hbr (0800 Cardiff-Portsmouth Hbr)
33023 Portsmouth Hbr-Bristol TM (1215 Portsmouth Hbr-Cardiff)
33019 Bristol TM-Bath (1400 Cardiff-Portsmouth Hbr)
33050 Bath-Bristol TM (1315 Portsmouth Hbr-Bristol)
33049 Bristol TM-Weymouth (1615 Bristol-Weymouth)
33049 Weymouth-Bradford-on-Avon (1935 Weymouth-Bristol)
B967 Bradford-on-Avon-Salisbury (2145 Bristol-Salisbury)
33106 Salisbury-Yeovil Jn (2110 Waterloo-Yeovil Jn

 

[SW Rover]

Monday 2nd January 1989
A Freedom of Scotland Rover before Sprinters were due to take over the West Highland and Far North services from the 23rd January.

150 Swindon to Gloucester for a HST to Birmingham NS
85037 1Z14 0958 Birmingham NS - Edinburgh W (to Carstairs) Additional
47632 1Z14 (from Carstairs)
47709 1O35 1500 Edinburgh W - Glasgow QS
37406 1Y23 1634 Glasgow QS - Fort William (to Garelochead)
37401 1T34 1445 Fort William - Glasgow QS (from Garelochead)
47701 1A71 1925 Glasgow QS - Aberdeen (to Perth)
47705 1T48 1850 Dyce - Glasgow QS (from Perth)
47541 1L31 2330 Glasgow QS - Inverness (to Perth)
47617 1H01 2325 Edinburgh W - Inverness (Perth to Pitlochry)
47595 1T04 2340 Inverness - Glasgow QS (from Pitlochry)

 

[xotGD]

47617 1H01 2325 Edinburgh W - Inverness (Perth to Pitlochry)
47595 1T04 2340 Inverness - Glasgow QS (from Pitlochry)

A brave move in January!

 

[SW Rover]

A brave move in January!

Looking back we had under estimated how cold it could be overnight in Scotland in January!

 

[SW Rover]

Tuesday 3rd January 1989

37401+37411 0347 1Y01 Mossend - Fort William (from Glasgow QS)
37406 2Y51 1005 Fort William - Mallaig
37406 2Y54 1230 Mallaig - Fort William
37401+(37407) 1445 1T34 Fort William - Glasgow QS (to Garelochead) 37407 was dead in tow.
37405 1Y23 1634 Glasgow QS - Fort William (Garelochead to Crianlarich)
37422 1T44 1810 Oban - Glasgow QS (Crianlarich to Arrochar & Tarbet)
37423 1Y15 1834 Glasgow QS - Oban (from Arrochar & Tarbet)

No overnight moves but a warm B&B instead.

 

[SW Rover]

Wednesday 4th January 1989

37423 1T12 0810 Oban - Glasgow QS (to Ardlui)
37424 1Y11 0834 Glasgow QS - Oban (from Ardlui)
37424 1T28 1250 Oban - Glasgow QS
37407 1Y23 1634 Glasgow QS - Fort William (Glasgow QS to ???)
37407 came to a stand shortly before reaching Knightswood N Junc and after some time 37409 arrived to propel the train to Dumbarton.
At Dumbarton 37409 ran round to take the train forward with 37407 dead in tow.
37409+(37407) 1Y23 Glasgow QS - Fort William (Dumbarton Cen (+120) to Arrochar & Tarbet)
37424 1Y15 1834 Glasgow QS - Oban (Arrochar & Tarbet (+15) to Ardlui)
37405 1D15 1810 Fort William - Euston (Ardlui to Glasgow QS)
47709 1L31 2330 Glasgow QS - Inverness (to Perth)
47641 1H01 2325 Edinburgh W - Inverness (from Perth)

 

[xotGD]

Wednesday 4th January 1989

37423 1T12 0810 Oban - Glasgow QS (to Ardlui)
37424 1Y11 0834 Glasgow QS - Oban (from Ardlui)
37424 1T28 1250 Oban - Glasgow QS
37407 1Y23 1634 Glasgow QS - Fort William (Glasgow QS to ???)
37407 came to a stand shortly before reaching Knightswood N Junc and after some time 37409 arrived to propel the train to Dumbarton.
At Dumbarton 37409 ran round to take the train forward with 37407 dead in tow.
37409+(37407) 1Y23 Glasgow QS - Fort William (Dumbarton Cen (+120) to Arrochar & Tarbet)
37424 1Y15 1834 Glasgow QS - Oban (Arrochar & Tarbet (+15) to Ardlui)
37405 1D15 1810 Fort William - Euston (Ardlui to Glasgow QS)
47709 1L31 2330 Glasgow QS - Inverness (to Perth)
47641 1H01 2325 Edinburgh W - Inverness (from Perth)

I think you must hold the record for most miles with 37407 dead on the front of your train!

 

[SW Rover]

Thursday 5th January 1989

37415 2H61 0635 Inverness - Wick
37415 2H62 1212 Wick - Inverness (to Brora)
37417 2H63 1135 Inverness - Wick (Brora to Georgemas Junc)
37414 2H73 1535 Georgemas Junc - Thurso
37414 2H74 1814 Thurso - Georgemas Junc
37417 2H64 1812 Wick - Inverness (from Georgemas Junc via Welsh Bridge Junc)

 

[SW Rover]

I think you must hold the record for most miles with 37407 dead on the front of your train!

Looking at Class37.co.uk Gen for the week there were a few failures and loco changes on the West Highland that week.
Class37.co.uk link

 

[SW Rover]

Friday 6th January 1989

37421 2H81 0655 Inverness - Kyle of Lochalsh
37421 2H82 1128 Kyle of Lochalsh - Inverness
47563 1A52 1502 Inverness - Aberdeen
47717 1T48 1850 Dyce - Glasgow QS (Aberdeen to Perth)

 

[SW Rover]

Saturday 7th January 1989
This was a spotting day before the overnight home.
47712 1T08 0530 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS (from Perth)
90018 1M07 0950 Glasgow Cen - Manchester Vic (to Motherwell)
303 to Glasgow Cen LL via Bellshill
303 Glasgow QS LL to Springburn for view of Eastfield & return
47710 1O32 1400 Glasgow QS - Edinburgh W
47710 1O43 1700 Edinburgh W - Glasgow QS
47715 1O52 1900 Glasgow QS - Edinburgh W
47642 1C77 2150 Edinburgh W - Plymouth (to Carstairs) Portion for 1V33
86416 1V33 2150 Glasgow Cen - Plymouth (Carstairs to Nuneaton)

Sunday 8th January 1989
47639 1V33 Glasgow Cen - Plymouth (Nuneaton to Bristol Parkway) via Didcot W curve
This was not due to stop at Swindon and ran through fast. Next stop Parkway!
HST Bristol Parkway to Swindon

We had covered the routes due to be taken over by Sprinters from the 23rd January. In the end only the West Highland changed to sprinters. The Far North remained loco hauled for longer. The Ness viaduct collapsed on the 7th February 1989 and the route was fully reopened with a replacement viaduct on 9th May 1990.

 

[CD]

Saturday 10th January 1987

33030 Yeovil PM-Bristol TM (2B77 0655 Yeovil PM-Cardiff)
45142 Bristol TM-Cardiff (2V58 0656 Portsmouth-Cardiff)
45133 Cardiff-Bristol TM (1O42 1305 Cardiff-Portsmouth)
45133 Bristol TM-Cardiff (1V70 1410 Portsmouth-Cardiff)
45133 Cardiff-Bristol TM (1O48 1810 Cardiff-Portsmouth)
33012 Bristol TM-Bath (1O48 1810 Cardiff-Portsmouth)
33203 Bath-Westbury (2O98 2015 Bristol-Portsmouth)
C470 Westbury-Yeovil PM (2110 Westbury-Weymouth)

Monday 9th/Tuesday 10th January 1989

47587 Yeovil Jn-Salisbury (1617 Exeter-Waterloo)
33106 Salisbury-Waterloo (2220 Salisbury-Waterloo)
33106 Waterloo-Salisbury (0140 Waterloo-Yeovil Jn)
33113 Salisbury-Yeovil Jn (0140 Waterloo-Yeovil Jn) via Westbury.

 

[D1511]

Fri 16th Jan 1981

1P10 12.48 Edinburgh - Perth 27112 xb ED Edinburgh - Perth
1T35 13.50 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS 47165 xbs TI Perth - Glasgow QS
1Oxx 18.00 Glasgow QS - Edinburgh 47701 xeh HA Glasgow QS - Edinburgh

 

[CW2]

A more recent entry, but I hope you find it interesting:

Sunday 17/01/16
390 124 1721 Crewe - Euston via Kidsgrove, Stoke
Because of WCML engineering work, the Caledonian Sleepers had been amended to run from Kings Cross, the first sleepers there since 1988:
90045 2104 Kings Cross - Doncaster RMT
47843 + 47848 (+90045 dead) 2320 Doncaster RMT - Newcastle via Sunderland, High Level Bridge.
Yes, there were engineering works on the ECML too, hence the diversion. 47843 + 47848 had been modified with multiple working equipment. This is the only time I've had haulage from multi-fitted 47s.

Monday 19/01/16
90045 0216 Newcastle - Edinburgh
67007 0450 Edinburgh - Fort William
Bus Fort William - Inverness
67011 2044 Inverness - Edinburgh

Tuesday 19/01/16
90045 0135 Edinburgh - Kings Cross
This was the first passenger-carrying sleeper train to arrive in Kings Cross since 1988.

I chose the Chiltern route to get me back to Crewe:
68012 0841 Marylebone - Birmingham Moor Street
390 156 1115 Birmingham New Street - Crewe

The ECS loco for the Caledonian Sleeper workings at Kings Cross was 86401. Here's a shot of it in Platform 0 on Sunday 17/01/16:

 

[SW Rover]

Sunday 19th January 1986
33119 2V32 1008 Portsmouth Harbour - Reading (to Eastleigh)
33117 2O08 1300 Reading - Portsmouth Harbour (from Eastleigh)
The return did not run via Botley but was diverted with a reversal of the 33+4TC south of St Denys and was routed via Netley to Fareham.