Back in the day...

[Sultan1056]

Monday 20th August 1973

A day trip to Scarborough with the now preserved 31179.

5600 York-Scarborough
DMU Scarborough-York

Wednesday 20th August 1975

37115 York-Scarborough (0821 Sheffield-Scarborough)
DMU Scarborough-York

Saturday 20th August 1977

An early bashing trip taking in my first 25s for haulage.

47001 York-Sheffield (0808 Newcastle-Bristol TM)
25107+25124 Sheffield-Worksop (0919 Manchester Pic-Yarmouth)
DMU Worksop-Sheffield (0953 Cleethorpes-Sheffield)
47246 Sheffield-York (0725 Plymouth-Edinburgh)

Wednesday 20th August 1980

47436 York-Leeds (1515 Edinburgh-Liverpool LS)
47404 Leeds-York (1905 Liverpool LS-York)

 

[CW2]

No. I missed 47208, 47282, 47291 and 47325, having 504 in total.

Still pretty impressive. 47208 is a bit surprising, as it was a Scottish boilered loco, which did a fair amount of passenger work.
Not my favoured form of traction, but "chapeau" indeed.

 

[Sultan1056]

Still pretty impressive. 47208 is a bit surprising, as it was a Scottish boilered loco, which did a fair amount of passenger work.
Not my favoured form of traction, but "chapeau" indeed.

It was the 5th one to be withdrawn. It was the one involved in the collision near Dundee in 1980/81.

 

[CW2]

It was the 5th one to be withdrawn. It was the one involved in the collision near Dundee in 1980/81.

Ah, that makes sense. I'd forgotten about that collision. My runs with it were all late 70s.

 

[Magdalia]

It was the 5th one to be withdrawn. It was the one involved in the collision near Dundee in 1980/81.

The accident was on 22/10/79. 47208 was hauling the 0935 Queen Street-Aberdeen and ran into the back of the 0844 Queen Street-Dundee between Perth and Dundee.

 

[D1537]

It was the 5th one to be withdrawn.

The accident was on 22/10/79. 47208 was hauling the 0935 Queen Street-Aberdeen and ran into the back of the 0844 Queen Street-Dundee between Perth and Dundee.

Yep. I am old enough for it to have been underlined in my spotting book (I saw it at King's Cross in 1978) but never got a chance to be hauled by it as far as I know.

 

[CW2]

My first ever visit to Inverness was on 09/08/77 - see post #1468.
47208 - which I required for haulage - was the loco involved. I was disappointed, as I was hoping for a class 40, but it wasn't a bad way to experience the Highland Main Line for the first time.

 

[QJ]

First a correction to post #29. The date at the start of the post should have read Wednesday 20 August 1980 (not 21st).

After a Summer Saturday spent on the North Wales Coast chasing class 40s it was off to South Wales track bashing to scoop in the Swansea and Carmarthen avoiding lines and the line to Fishguard Harbour.

Sunday 20 August 1978
47501 CD 2355 (19/08) Glasgow - Bristol Temple Meads (Preston to Crewe)
with 86102 DIT diverted via Parkside East Junction, Manchester Piccadilly and Stockport)
86102 WN 2355 (19/08) Glasgow - Bristol Temple Meads (Crewe to Birmingham New Street)
46051 GD 2355 (19/08) Glasgow - Bristol Temple Meads (Birmingham New Street to Bristol Temple Meads)
1*118 DMU 0945 Bristol Temple Meads - Cardiff Central (Bristol Temple Meads to Cardiff Central)
47144 CF 0820 London Paddington - Fishguard Harbour (Cardiff Central to Fishguard Harbour)
for the track innit
47144 CF 1445 Fishguard Harbour - London Paddington (Fishguard Harbour to Cardiff Central)
47499 LA 1842 Swansea - London Paddington (Cardiff Central to Newport)
1*119 DMU 1950 Cardiff Central - Bristol Temple Meads (Newport to Bristol Temple Meads)
45014 YK 2112 Bristol Temple Meads - Glasgow Central (Bristol Temple Meads to Birmingham New Street)
86032 WN 2112 Bristol Temple Meads - Glasgow Central (Birmingham New Street to Stafford)

and enough of the dross. It was back to Scotland for some more rateable haulages.

 

[12LDA28C]

Thanks for the reminder. More recently I recall 47829 being painted in a similar livery. Do you know if that was for a similar event?

No, 47829 was painted as part of a BTP initiative which attempted to deter trespass and vandalism on the railway. Sometimes so-called 'Q Trains' were run which often featured a light loco travelling round the network, I believe with BTP in the cab, in the hope of catching miscreants in the act. This initiative may have come about after an increase in the number of incidents of cable theft, as I recall.

 

[Sultan1056]

Thursday 21st August 1975

A trip to the K&WVR but for some reason I cannot remember, I didn’t travel on the railway.
DMU York-Leeds
DMU Leeds-Keighley
DMU Keighley-Leeds
46053 Leeds-York (1710 Liverpool LS-Newcastle)

Saturday 21st August 1976

55006 York-Doncaster (0830 Newcastle-Kings Cross)
47431 Doncaster-York (1100 Kings Cross-Edinburgh)

Thursday 21st August 1980

47066 York-Darlington (1605 Liverpool LS-Newcastle)
47420 Darlington-York (2030 Newcastle-Kings Cross)

 

[Sultan1056]

No, 47829 was painted as part of a BTP initiative which attempted to deter trespass and vandalism on the railway. Sometimes so-called 'Q Trains' were run which often featured a light loco travelling round the network, I believe with BTP in the cab, in the hope of catching miscreants in the act. This initiative may have come about after an increase in the number of incidents of cable theft, as I recall.

Ah thanks for the reminder.

 

[Kirkoswald]

First a correction to post #29. The date at the start of the post should have read Wednesday 20 August 1980 (not 21st).

After a Summer Saturday spent on the North Wales Coast chasing class 40s it was off to South Wales track bashing to scoop in the Swansea and Carmarthen avoiding lines and the line to Fishguard Harbour.

Sunday 20 August 1978
47501 CD 2355 (19/08) Glasgow - Bristol Temple Meads (Preston to Crewe)
with 86102 DIT diverted via Parkside East Junction, Manchester Piccadilly and Stockport)
86102 WN 2355 (19/08) Glasgow - Bristol Temple Meads (Crewe to Birmingham New Street)
46051 GD 2355 (19/08) Glasgow - Bristol Temple Meads (Birmingham New Street to Bristol Temple Meads)
1*118 DMU 0945 Bristol Temple Meads - Cardiff Central (Bristol Temple Meads to Cardiff Central)
47144 CF 0820 London Paddington - Fishguard Harbour (Cardiff Central to Fishguard Harbour)
for the track innit
47144 CF 1445 Fishguard Harbour - London Paddington (Fishguard Harbour to Cardiff Central)
47499 LA 1842 Swansea - London Paddington (Cardiff Central to Newport)
1*119 DMU 1950 Cardiff Central - Bristol Temple Meads (Newport to Bristol Temple Meads)
45014 YK 2112 Bristol Temple Meads - Glasgow Central (Bristol Temple Meads to Birmingham New Street)
86032 WN 2112 Bristol Temple Meads - Glasgow Central (Birmingham New Street to Stafford)

and enough of the dross. It was back to Scotland for some more rateable haulages.

Hi QJ. Sorry I can't follow the "correction" reference as post #29 doesn't seem to be yours or relate to Aug 1980? Confused.com

 

[D1537]

Whoops, missed yesterday, so here's two days from 1988

I've found half a 1982 book which starts on 23rd August so you won't have to put up with endless 47s

Saturday 20 August 1988
87027 Coventry-B'ham NS (1G51)
47425 B'ham NS-Sheffield (1E26)
47204 Sheffield-Skegness (1E47)
47204 Skegness-Leeds (1N92)
dmu Leeds-Skipton
47236 Skipton-Leeds (1E11)
43102+43193 Leeds-Peterborough
47311 Peterborough-Sheffield (1E95)
47661 Sheffield-B'ham NS (1M59)
317330 B'ham NS-Coventry

Sunday 21 August 1988
86239 Rugby-Nuneaton (1G24)
47327 Nuneaton-B'ham NS (1G24)
47327 B'ham NS-Nuneaton (1A09)
47466 Nuneaton-B'ham NS (1G26)
47327 B'ham NS-Bristol TM (1V51)
47590 Bristol TM-B'ham NS (1S87, via Camp Hill)
317317 B'ham NS-Coventry

 

[Harvester]

Wednesday 22nd August 1962

D9004 17:16 York-Darlington (14:00 ex Kings Cross)

My first Deltic haulage, on the down ‘Heart of Midlothian’.

 

[Sultan1056]

Sunday 22nd August 1976

47460 York-Doncaster (0836 Newcastle-Kings Cross)
55008 Doncaster-York (1400 Kings Cross-Edinburgh)

Friday 22nd August 1980

40152 York-Huddersfield (1710 Newcastle-Manchester Vic) Relief
47466 Huddersfield-Leeds (1905 Liverpool LS-York)
E52088+52105 Leeds-Cross Gates (2114 Leeds-Hull)
31245 Cross Gates-Leeds (2039 Hull-Leeds)
E51543+51560 Leeds-York (2200 Leeds-York)

Saturday 22nd August 1981

I cannot remember exactly why I would have travelled to Darlington on an HST to start my day, maybe it was to cover the Newcastle-Yarmouth service which was hauled by unrequired 40020. Things didn’t seem to be working out for me when 47523 headed the 0550 KX-Aberdeen. I took this to Newcastle where I was hoping the Glasgow-Scarborough would be Deltic hauled, but today 40073 was employed on the service. It was gone midday before I had my first Deltic of the day. I took No.18 to York and then back to Edinburgh. Before heading back south I had just enough time to take required 27038 to Falkirk on the 1508 Scarborough-Glasgow. Going to Falkirk with the 27 was a risky strategy because my return train to Edinburgh was not due to arrive until 2045. This was the same time for the departure of the first southbound overnight service to London. I wasn’t too concerned about this because I believed there were two serviceable Deltics on Haymarket. 55011 had spent all day on shed and should work out first; 55018 would therefore be held back for a later overnight service. Travelling out with 27038 my concern began to rise as we passed Haymarket and there was no sign of Deltic 11. On my return my concern changed to panic when there was not only no sign of Deltic 11 but Deltic 18 had vanished too, presumably to work the 2045 to KX. Fortunately 47705 had an on time arrival at Waverley where I had to race around to catch the KX train by the skin of my teeth. Deltic 18 was the only Deltic out of Edinburgh that evening with Deltic 11 being held back until the following morning.

43080+43109 York-Darlington (0808 Leeds-Edinburgh)
47523 Darlington-Newcastle (0550 Kings Cross-Aberdeen)
40073 Newcastle-Darlington (0810 Glasgow QS-Scarborough)
55018 Darlington-York (0950 Edinburgh-Plymouth)
55018 York-Edinburgh (0736 Plymouth-Edinburgh)
27038 Edinburgh-Falkirk H (1508 Scarborough-Glasgow QS)
47705 Falkirk H-Edinburgh (2000 Glasgow QS-Edinburgh)
55018 Edinburgh-York (2045 Edinburgh-Kings Cross)

 

[Sultan1056]

Thursday 23rd August 1979

E50207+50215 York-Scarborough (1632 Sheffield-Scarborough)
31299 Scarborough-York (1902 Scarborough-Sheffield)
47421 York-Leeds (2025 York-Liverpool LS)
E51956+51979+52092 Leeds-Selby (2114 Leeds-Hull)
31276 Selby-Micklefield (2039 Hull-Leeds)
E50193+50267+50550+50580 Micklefield-York (2200 Leeds-York)

Saturday 23rd August 1980

Two big 37s out today and a required 40 in the bag too!

37250 York-Selby (0835 Newcastle-Yarmouth)
31116 Selby-Sheffield (0843 Scarborough-Sheffield)
via Milford J & Moorthorpe
47082 Sheffield-Leeds (0730 Swansea-Leeds)
40031 Leeds-Manchester Vic (1300 Scarborough-Manchester Vic)
40085 Manchester Vic-Huddersfield (1342 Llandudno-York)
37241 Huddersfield-Sheffield via Barnsley (1658 Huddersfield-Sheffield)
E50204+51981+52099 Sheffield-Doncaster (1724 Manchester Pic-Cleethorpes)
47466 Doncaster-Newark (1955 York-Kings Cross)

Sunday 23rd August 1981

Today I found myself travelling on some rare track for passenger trains and which is now no more. The overnight East Coast services were being diverted via Carlisle. However rather than being routed through Carlisle station the train continued from London Road Junction onto Bog Junction and then around the back of the station joining the WCML approximately half a mile to the north. Today there is little evidence of the track, I believe it is now covered by several retail outlets. At Edinburgh I had Deltic 21 on an excursion along the West Highland Line to Oban. An Edinburgh-Glasgow push-pull set was used and so I understand a Deltic was the only suitable locomotive for the duty. This was a repeat of an excursion that ran three weeks previously, which was also hauled by Deltic 21.

55017 York-Edinburgh (2230 Kings Cross-Edinburgh)
via Stockton & Carlisle Bog J
55021 Edinburgh-Oban (0915 Edinburgh-Oban) ADEX
55021 Oban-Edinburgh (1530 Oban-Edinburgh) Return ADEX
55019 Edinburgh-Doncaster (2025 Edinburgh-Kings Cross)
47121 Doncaster-York (2240 Kings Cross-Edinburgh)

Thursday 23rd August 1984

By 1984 the Gatwick Express services were now loco hauled by class 73s. These creatures of the night (on passenger services) were until the introduction of the dedicated 73/2 fleet, much easier to come by.

43054+43193 York-Kings Cross (1135 Edinburgh-Kings Cross)
73105+9107 1830 Victoria-Gatwick A
73103+9104 1935 Gatwick A-Victoria

 

[CW2]

Saturday 22nd August 1981
Before heading back south I had just enough time to take required 27038 to Falkirk on the 1508 Scarborough-Glasgow. Going to Falkirk with the 27 was a risky strategy because my return train to Edinburgh was not due to arrive until 2045. This was the same time for the departure of the first southbound overnight service to London. I wasn’t too concerned about this because I believed there were two serviceable Deltics on Haymarket. 55011 had spent all day on shed and should work out first; 55018 would therefore be held back for a later overnight service. Travelling out with 27038 my concern began to rise as we passed Haymarket and there was no sign of Deltic 11. On my return my concern changed to panic when there was not only no sign of Deltic 11 but Deltic 18 had vanished too, presumably to work the 2045 to KX. Fortunately 47705 had an on time arrival at Waverley where I had to race around to catch the KX train by the skin of my teeth. Deltic 18 was the only Deltic out of Edinburgh that evening with Deltic 11 being held back until the following morning.

27038 Edinburgh-Falkirk H (1508 Scarborough-Glasgow QS)
47705 Edinburgh-Falkirk H (2000 Glasgow QS-Edinburgh)
55018 Edinburgh-York (2045 Edinburgh-Kings Cross)

That's definitely a "Man of Steel" move. Connecting into the 20:45 Edinburgh - Kings Cross off the 20:00 ex Queen Street can't have been easy. I'd put your chances of achieving that at about 5 percent.
(Small correction: should be 47705 Falkirk H - Edinburgh, not vice versa).

Sunday 23rd August 1981

Today I found myself travelling on some rare track for passenger trains and which is now no more. The overnight East Coast services were being diverted via Carlisle. However rather than being routed through Carlisle station the train continued from London Road Junction onto Bog Junction and then around the back of the station joining the WCML approximately half a mile to the north. Today there is little evidence of the track, I believe it is now covered by several retail outlets. At Edinburgh I had Deltic 21 on an excursion along the West Highland Line to Oban. An Edinburgh-Glasgow push-pull set was used and so I understand a Deltic was the only suitable locomotive for the duty. This was a repeat of an excursion that ran three weeks previously, which was also hauled by Deltic 21.

55017 York-Edinburgh (2230 Kings Cross-Edinburgh)
via Stockton & Carlisle Bog J
55021 Edinburgh-Oban (0915 Edinburgh-Oban) ADEX
55021 Oban-Edinburgh (1530 Oban-Edinburgh) Return ADEX
55019 Edinburgh-Doncaster (2025 Edinburgh-Kings Cross)
47121 Doncaster-York (2240 Kings Cross-Edinburgh)

More on the Bog Junction line and the (catastrophic) reason for its closure here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ceq3w919xd2o

I suspect there's probably a thread on this forum about it too.

Yes, the Edinburgh - Oban excursions utilised an E+G push pull set of Mk 3s, so required an ETH fitted loco with sufficiently low route availability, hence the Deltic.
(ETH 47s were too heavy for the route). The fact that Deltics were supposedly prohibited from providing ETH to Mk 3 carriages was conveniently ignored.

 

[D1537]

Monday 23 August 1982

First (half) day of a Yorkshire Ranger. I have no idea why we did this odd move which involved a long wait in Scarborough, presumably to make sure we got the 25 and 40197 in, little were we to know...

40084 York-Scarborough (1L26)
25283 Scarborough-Seamer (1L36)
40084 Seamer-Scarborough (1L59)
40197 Scarborough-York (1L91)

 

[xotGD]

There can't be many folk who have had a Deltic on the Carlisle avoiding line.

 

[Sultan1056]

That's definitely a "Man of Steel" move. Connecting into the 20:45 Edinburgh - Kings Cross off the 20:00 ex Queen Street can't have been easy. I'd put your chances of achieving that at about 5 percent.
(Small correction: should be 47705 Falkirk H - Edinburgh, not vice versa).

I’m not sure it was a Man of Steel move, more like “Desperate” for a new 27! If I had known that there was only one Deltic available I wouldn’t have travelled to Falkirk and I would still require 27038. I have amended the error that you noted. Cheers

More on the Bog Junction line and the (catastrophic) reason for its closure here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/n
I suspect there's probably a thread on this forum about it too.

I have read the recent press reports about the Signaller recognised for diverting the freight train, however I hadn’t realised that it had been diverted via the Carlisle avoider and that this was the cause of the lines early demise.

There can't be many folk who have had a Deltic on the Carlisle avoiding line

I am assuming that engineering work was taking place within the station area and for this to take place whilst ECML trains were being diverted via the WCML would be very unusual. I remember that there were only a handful of bashers on the train. This was unexpected because there was the prospect of taking Deltic 21 to Oban later in morning. I know that one or two of them had missed the previous visit of Deltic 21 to Oban three weeks previously because of an untimely loco failure. See @CW2s earlier post #1387 for details.

 

[Sultan1056]

Thursday 24th August 1978

47284 York-Leeds (1515 Edinburgh-Liverpool LS)
E51951+51960+51972+51975 Leeds-Selby (1810 Liverpool LS-Hull)
31142 Selby-Leeds (2039 Hull-Leeds)
40067 Leeds-Stockport (2150 York-Shrewsbury)

Friday 24th August 1979

Two Bank Holiday weekend relief trains turned out to be very profitable for me, both being Class 40s. For my next move I needed my push bike, almost 10 miles between Ulleskelf and Selby! I was aiming to catch the 2039 Hull-Leeds, (dep Selby 2115ish) so I would have had about an hour to complete my challenge. The loco on this train must have been dud and with the 1805 from Kings Cross running about 45 late I was able to head directly back to York where I deposited my bike back into the Left Cycles.

40073 York-Leeds (1710 Newcastle-Manchester Vic) Relief
40082 Leeds-York (1740 Manchester Vic-Newcastle) Relief
31298 York-Ulleskelf (1902 Scarborough-Sheffield)
55008 Selby-York (1805 Kings Cross-Newcastle)
55011 York-Doncaster (2030 Newcastle-Kings Cross)

Sunday 24th August 1980

55016 Newark-York (0840 Kings Cross-Newcastle)
55008 York-Darlington (0905 Plymouth-Edinburgh)
47419 Darlington-York (1815 Newcastle-York)
46044 York-Leeds (1905 Newcastle-Liverpool LS)
47155 Leeds-York (1705 Liverpool LS-Newcastle)
E51814+52082 York-Manchester Vic (2211 York-Manchester Vic)

 

[D1537]

Tuesday 24 August 1982

40197 York-Seamer 1L91
46056 Seamer-York 1M63
47345 York-Darlington 1E99
43175+43176 Darlington-York
45051 York-Leeds 1M74
46056 Leeds-York 1E86

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Tuesday 10th August 1999

66013 21:00 Crewe-Plymouth (‘Eclipse Venturer’ - overnight charter)

One of many specials that ran to Devon and Cornwall for the solar eclipse. Returned, same loco and stock, on Wed 11th (16:41 ex Plymouth).

I was on that with 2 of my daughters.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

No. I missed 47208, 47282, 47291 and 47325, having 504 in total.

That is seriously impressive!

 

[Sultan1056]

Monday 25th August 1975

47425 York-Newcastle
47270 Newcastle-York

Friday 25th August 1978

My first venture into North Wales and one of my last spotting trips. I took in Holyhead Breakwater to see the pair of Class 01 shunters. It didn’t go all to plan with only one of the three class 40s being required. Worst still I got bowled by a Peak on the Bangor-Manchester! I believe they were quite rare in North Wales at that time. My biggest regret is not hanging around for 24082 which worked the 1642 Llandudno-Crewe. Instead I headed to South Wales via London.

86236 Stockport-Crewe (2150 York-Shrewsbury)
47480 Crewe-Holyhead (0218 Crewe-Holyhead)
M51935+52050 Holyhead-Bangor (0730 Holyhead-Llandudno)
47555 Bangor-Prestatyn (0804 Holyhead-Euston)
40115 Prestatyn-Flint (0942 Llandudno-Manchester Vic)
40105 Flint-Colwyn Bay (0929 Manchester Vic-Llandudno)
45052 Colwyn Bay-Prestatyn (1130 Bangor-Manchester Vic)
25194 Prestatyn-Llandudno J (1111 Manchester Vic-Holyhead)
40141 Llandudno J-Crewe (1320 Holyhead-Euston)
25224 Crewe-Whitchurch (1600 Crewe-Cardiff C)
M50330+50400 Whitchurch-Crewe (1400 Aberystwyth-Crewe)
87011 Crewe-Stafford (1812 Manchester Pic-Euston)
86260 Stafford-Wolverhampton (1828 Manchester Pic-Birmingham NS)
86253 Wolverhampton-Euston (2039 Wolverhampton-Euston)
43050+43051 Paddington-Bristol TM (2300 Paddington-Bristol TM)

Saturday 25th August 1979

47425 Doncaster-Leeds (2300 Kings Cross-Bradford Exchange)
40007 Leeds-York (2250 Shrewsbury-York)
40050 York-Doncaster (2035 Aberdeen-Kings Cross)
E50258 Doncaster-Sheffield (0627 Doncaster-Sheffield)
31200 Sheffield-Chesterfield (0747 Sheffield-Skegness)
47364 Chesterfield-Sheffield (0730 Birmingham NS-Newcastle)
47334 Sheffield-Chesterfield (0754 Leeds-Weymouth)
45125 Chesterfield-Sheffield (0653 St Pancras-Sheffield)
45012 Sheffield-Rotherham (0655 Gloucester-Leeds)
40006 Rotherham-Sheffield (1013 Doncaster-Sheffield)
47112 Sheffield-Rotherham (0730 Swansea-Leeds)
E50270+50381+50632 Rotherham-Doncaster (1145 Manchester Pic-Hull)
37199 Doncaster-Selby (0915 Yarmouth-Newcastle)
55005 Selby-Doncaster (1422 York-Kings Cross)
31271 Doncaster-Rotherham (1300 Scarborough-Sheffield)
37169 Rotherham-Sheffield (1355 Blackpool N-Sheffield)
47266 Sheffield-Leeds (1257 Weston SM-Leeds)
47323 Leeds-York (1000 Newquay-Newcastle)
55002 York-Doncaster (1956 York-Kings Cross)
43074+43076 Doncaster-Leeds (1850 Kings Cross-Bradford Exchange)
E51820+51831 Leeds-Garforth (2114 Leeds-Hull)
31248 Garforth-Cross Gates (2039 Hull-Leeds)
E50545+50566 Cross Gates-York (2200 Leeds-York)

Monday 25th August 1980

Another Bank Holiday which gives me the another chance to cover the Mondays Only 0055 from Victoria. No class 40 for me today, instead 474444444! The more interesting motive power takes shape at Leeds where Deltic 5 hauls the train forward to York. I do get my class 40 a little later and it is required, on the 0925 York-Edinburgh. Into the afternoon and I get the chance to take a pair of 25s on the 1335 Newcastle-Swansea which was very unusual for this service.

47444 Manchester Vic-Leeds (0055 Manchester Vic-York)
55005 Leeds-York (0055 Manchester Vic-York)
55018 York-Newcastle (0002 Kings Cross-Newcastle)
43105+43107 Newcastle-York (0735 Newcastle-Kings Cross)
40146 York-Newcastle (0925 York-Edinburgh)
55019 Newcastle-York (0950 Edinburgh-Plymouth)
55009 York-Selby (0912 Dundee-Kings Cross)
47419 Selby-York (1220 Kings Cross-York)
25257+25301 York-Sheffield (1335 Newcastle-Swansea)
45055 Sheffield-York (1335 Reading-York) Relief

Tuesday 25th August 1981

55022 York-Selby (2019 York-Kings Cross)
55009 Selby-York (1740 Kings Cross-York)

 

[xotGD]

a pair of 25s on the 1335 Newcastle-Swansea which was very unusual for this service.

Do you recall if they'd worked down from Newcastle or was there a loco change at York?

 

[Sultan1056]

Do you recall if they'd worked down from Newcastle or was there a loco change at York?

To be honest I cannot remember, however I think I would remember if an engine change had taken place at York and I don’t. I think the train was booked to be crewed by York men from Newcastle so that shouldn't have prevented the 25s from starting out at Newcastle.

 

[D1537]

Wednesday 25 August 1982

40197 York-Seamer 1L91
47414 Seamer-York 1M63
31316 York-Scarborough 1L30
31316 Scarborough-York 1L33
46027 York-Leeds 1M91
25080 Leeds-Skipton 1M26
31242 Skipton-Leeds 1E33
46045 Leeds-York 1E80

 

[Sultan1056]

Do you recall if they'd worked down from Newcastle or was there a loco change at York?

I have looked at Railgen archives and it looks like they worked the 0730 Birmingham-Newcastle throughout and returned on the 1335 Newcastle-Swansea as far as Derby.

 

[xotGD]

I have looked at Railgen archives and it looks like they worked the 0730 Birmingham-Newcastle throughout and returned on the 1335 Newcastle-Swansea as far as Derby.

Thanks. A very unusual move.