ASLEF pay offer - now accepted.

[Krokodil]

I don't believe they can actually, LLC at my place said it's in written into the charter that ballots must be postal

Yes but that's an ASLEF rule, not a legal requirement. Just like there's no requirement in law to hold an acceptance vote at all (but it's obviously right that they do)

 

[6Gman]

Once again shows that the vast majority of train drivers are reasonable.

And the issue was the conditions, not the salary.

Media please take note (but they won't).

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Fantastic news. The end is in sight. Now we need a period of boring reliability and rebuild public trust.

 

[diego1234]

I know it'll differ among tocs but roughly how much backpay are we expecting? People at my toc have worked out around 7k AFTER tax. Does that sound about right?

 

[43066]

I know it'll differ among tocs but roughly how much backpay are we expecting? People at my toc have worked out around 7k AFTER tax. Does that sound about right?

Where I am (no rise since 2019) it’s roughly £15k to £20k gross, depending on how much RDW has been done, and remember backpay is also due on things like London weighting, holiday uplift pay, mentor/instructor allowance, non RDW overtime etc.

£7k after tax/deductions sounds about right for the lower end of that range.

 

[TreacleMiller]

There are various calculators online that will show you what a one off month looks like for a bonus pay.

My backpay is around 14k so I'd be expecting just under 60% of that net for my own circumstances.

 

[diego1234]

Where I am (no rise since 2019) it’s roughly £15k to £20k gross, depending on how much RDW has been done, and remember backpay is also due on things like London weighting, holiday uplift pay, mentor/instructor allowance, non RDW overtime etc.

£7k after tax/deductions sounds about right for the lower end of that range.

Ok sounds good, thanks

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There are various calculators online that will show you what a one off month looks like for a bonus pay.

My backpay is around 14k so I'd be expecting just under 60% of that net for my own circumstances.

Ok thanks

 

[43066]

There are various calculators online that will show you what a one off month looks like for a bonus pay.

My backpay is around 14k so I'd be expecting just under 60% of that net for my own circumstances.

I can see why it’s so complicated for payroll. It will end up as a slightly different amount for everyone, even if they’ve done no rest day work, due to differences in the amount of non voluntary overtime worked with the normal roster.

We’ve been told our place may need to pay it in two instalments: one for base salary in October, one for overtime and sundries to be paid in November, all depending on how payroll manage to cope.

60% marginal tax rate is going to be an issue for overtime junkies, especially those at higher paying TOCs, so consider additional BRASS contributions this year….

 

[TreacleMiller]

I can see why it’s so complicated for payroll. It will end up as a slightly different amount for everyone, even if they’ve done no rest day work, due to differences in the amount of non voluntary overtime worked with the normal roster.

We’ve been told our place may need to pay it in two instalments: one for base salary in October, one for overtime and sundries to be paid in November, all depending on how payroll manage to cope.

60% marginal tax rate is going to be an issue for overtime junkies, especially those at higher paying TOCs, so consider additional BRASS contributions this year….

Indeed.

Seeing the confusion it's caused to some is interesting. Having to explain what compound interest meant was a challenge.

 

[dk1]

Fantastic news. The end is in sight. Now we need a period of boring reliability and rebuild public trust.

The Greater Anglia way as it’s also known

 

[LokiB]

The offer just isn't good enough! They should be giving us 5% over inflation with full back pay for 5 years, not just 3! It's an insult, anyone who votes for it is a turkey waiting for Christmas. If you let them give this insulting offer to us this time, next time they'll give even less...

--- someone in a mess room somewhere, probably...

Not gonna lie, you got me at the start.

 

[43066]

Indeed.

Seeing the confusion it's caused to some is interesting. Having to explain what compound interest meant was a challenge.

It never ceases to amaze me how people always manage to find the cloud behind every silver lining in this industry!

A few have been complaining about 60% marginal tax rate when they get the back pay in one tax year, whereas they would only have paid 40% had the money been spread over several. Technically they’re correct, of course, but it’s first world problems. Then of course the complaints about the need to self assess. Eventually someone on the WhatsApp group commented “you lot were moaning less when there was no pay rise on offer”. And they were right! I’m sure it’s the same across the road .

All of that aside, this is a strong result for ASLEF, and for the grade going forward.

 

[Y Ddraig Coch]

Especially when dealing with a reasonable government

Now you are being silly........

 

[InkyScrolls]

I made the mistake of having a look at the comments section on the BBC article... The level of blind stupidity and dog-in-a-manger attitude is quite astounding.

Edit: For the sake of one's blood pressure I do not recommend having a look!

 

[Peterthegreat]

I made the mistake of having a look at the comments section on the BBC article... The level of blind stupidity and dog-in-a-manger attitude is quite astounding.

Edit: For the sake of one's blood pressure I do not recommend having a look!

Absolutely agree.

 

[dk1]

I made the mistake of having a look at the comments section on the BBC article... The level of blind stupidity and dog-in-a-manger attitude is quite astounding.

Edit: For the sake of one's blood pressure I do not recommend having a look!

Only worth looking if you want to wind them up even more (which gives me the greatest pleasure) so smiling and waving does it for me haha.

Some green eyed monsters out there along with the bitter and twisted.

 

[Kite159]

The taxman will be happy in October or whenever the backpay hits the payslips

But good news for the drivers, for what they have to learn & remember they are worth it

 

[dk1]

The taxman will be happy in October or whenever the backpay hits the payslips

But good news for the drivers, for what they have to learn & remember they are worth it

Yes and all the rest pumps back into the economy. From what I hear it’ll go on cars, holidays and everything else that boosts the hospitality sector. Win win.

 

[GardenRail]

I made the mistake of having a look at the comments section on the BBC article... The level of blind stupidity and dog-in-a-manger attitude is quite astounding.

Edit: For the sake of one's blood pressure I do not recommend having a look!

Same, I've just spent 10 mins looking at BBC comments. Lets just say, there are some specimens out there......

Congratulations to the Drivers, hopefully similar news for Network Rail Signallers very soon, and the other roles within the NR talks.

 

[officewalla]

This is not correct. The dispute has been going on for two years. RPI for February 2023 for example was 13.8%. Drivers have voted to accept a pay rise of 4.75% for 2023.

Forget comparisons with RPI. It is a bad metric and rarely used these days. However since 2019, CPI is some 23% so 15% is not too ad in the current climate.

 

[chuff chuff]

Yes and all the rest pumps back into the economy. From what I hear it’ll go on cars, holidays and everything else that boosts the hospitality sector. Win win.

Proper trickle down economics.

 

[infobleep]

And the issue was the conditions, not the salary.

Media please take note (but they won't).

Perhaps the Union could tale note top, as they kept mentioning pay as well.

Ther was not enough focus from them on the terms.

 

[dk1]

Proper trickle down economics.

All good mate.

 

[380101]

I know it'll differ among tocs but roughly how much backpay are we expecting? People at my toc have worked out around 7k AFTER tax. Does that sound about right?

There is a backpay calculator on the members area of the ASLEF website. All the maths has been done by someone on the Excel spreadsheet and all you need to do is input your current salary and it will give you your new salary and backpay amount.

 

[elle1630]

Apologies I might just be being really dumb, but I can't find the calculator on the members area. Could I get pointed in the right direction?

 

[brad465]

I made the mistake of having a look at the comments section on the BBC article... The level of blind stupidity and dog-in-a-manger attitude is quite astounding.

Edit: For the sake of one's blood pressure I do not recommend having a look!

You could say the same about any given comment section/post on any news site/social media platform. But as I'm sure you know, no such site's online users is representative of the reality across the whole population (I'm not suggesting the majority are in favour of this situation, but I'm certain the view is far more balanced than that particular comment section).

 

[380101]

Apologies I might just be being really dumb, but I can't find the calculator on the members area. Could I get pointed in the right direction?

No apology required. Seems it has disappeared. It was in the Documents section on the members area when I was logged in last week, but having just logged in 10 min ago and had a look, it is no longer there.

 

[Cjay144]

I couldn’t find it either but just used the search function and typed in ‘backpay’. It came up for me that way and just looked it up 15 mins ago

 

[Turtle]

I made the mistake of having a look at the comments section on the BBC article... The level of blind stupidity and dog-in-a-manger attitude is quite astounding.

Edit: For the sake of one's blood pressure I do not recommend having a look!

For some strange reason train driver salaries always trigger off a small section of the online community . I suppose it's the " they just push a lever backwards and forwards and don't even have to steer bloody thing" effect. If so, why aren't they applying in droves for the job?

 

[TreacleMiller]

I must admit I did have a read whilst booking the holiday....