ASLEF pay offer - now accepted.

[43066]

96.58% in favour apparently.

Good news!

 

[InkyScrolls]

96.58% in favour apparently.

Good news!

Fantastic news! And expected, it's a good offer.

 

[Trainrave]

Referendum result - national dispute pay offer: YES 10,971 (96.58%), NO 389 (3.42%), Turnout 11,365 (88.53%). Thank you for your commitment and solidarity.

 

[dk1]

Higher than even I predicted. Always knew we'd get there one way or another Fantastic news.

 

[whoosh]

Once again shows that the vast majority of train drivers are reasonable.

 

[greatkingrat]

I thought each TOC would have their own separate ballot? Still, with those figures it is pretty safe to say every TOC was in favour.

 

[dk1]

Once again shows that the vast majority of train drivers are reasonable.

The media will see it differently no doubt, but who cares?? Show me the money

 

[12LDA28C]

Surprising that more than one in ten couldn't be ar$ed to vote on their own pay rise though...

 

[ainsworth74]

Referendum result - national dispute pay offer: YES 10,971 (96.58%), NO 389 (3.42%), Turnout 11,365 (88.53%). Thank you for your commitment and solidarity.

I would be fascinated to now what the NO votes were holding out for! If any of them happen to read this please do let us know

I thought each TOC would have their own separate ballot?

I presume because it was a referendum on a national offer a formal TOC by TOC ballot wasn't necessary.

 

[Krokodil]

Once again shows that the vast majority of train drivers are reasonable.

Especially when dealing with a reasonable government

 

[172007]

I would be fascinated to now what the NO votes were holding out for! If any of them happen to read this please do let us know


I presume because it was a referendum on a national offer a formal TOC by TOC ballot wasn't necessary.

I immagine the no voters voted no as the pay offer was way below inflation and was technically a pay cut in real terms.

 

[Duffer]

I would be fascinated to now what the NO votes were holding out for! If any of them happen to read this please do let us know


I presume because it was a referendum on a national offer a formal TOC by TOC ballot wasn't necessary.

I heard one or two at our depot complain that the offer was below inflation since the expiry of our last pay deal which was technically correct but not relevant to the period that the dispute actually covered.

 

[12LDA28C]

I heard one or two at our depot complain that the offer was below inflation since the expiry of our last pay deal which was technically correct but not relevant to the period that the dispute actually covered.

This is not correct. The dispute has been going on for two years. RPI for February 2023 for example was 13.8%. Drivers have voted to accept a pay rise of 4.75% for 2023.

 

[Electrostar387]

Especially when dealing with a reasonable government

A crucial combination for sure.

 

[Tractor2018]

I presume because it was a referendum on a national offer a formal TOC by TOC ballot wasn't necessary.

Despite claims by a few here that it wasn't national, despite being pointed out otherwise.

 

[12LDA28C]

A commitment has been given for back pay to be included in the October 25th pay packet too. More good news.

 

[Duffer]

This is not correct. The dispute has been going on for two years. RPI for February 2023 for example was 13.8%. Drivers have voted to accept a pay rise of 4.75% for 2023.

I think it varies from TOC to TOC depending on your pay anniversary. For us, we had an increase in October 2020 as the final year of a multi year deal. October 2021 to October 2022 was written off due to Covid, meaning our dispute started in October 2022. The rate of inflation from October 2022 until the present day currently stands at 9.5%.

 

[74A]

Legally speaking a ballot was not required. ASLEF could have accepted the offer if they wished

 

[spyinthesky]

Surprising that more than one in ten couldn't be ar$ed to vote on their own pay rise though...

Yes it’s such a shame that some people decide to go away on holiday or are lying in a hospital bed. What some will do to attract hatred….splitters!

 

[Whistler40145]

Has there been far more flexibility with the DfT following the change of Government?

 

[Krokodil]

Legally speaking a ballot was not required. ASLEF could have accepted the offer if they wished

Or used an electronic referendum like RMT do.

 

[Intermodal]

I would be fascinated to now what the NO votes were holding out for! If any of them happen to read this please do let us know

The offer just isn't good enough! They should be giving us 5% over inflation with full back pay for 5 years, not just 3! It's an insult, anyone who votes for it is a turkey waiting for Christmas. If you let them give this insulting offer to us this time, next time they'll give even less...

--- someone in a mess room somewhere, probably...

 

[chuff chuff]

The offer just isn't good enough! They should be giving us 5% over inflation with full back pay for 5 years, not just 3! It's an insult, anyone who votes for it is a turkey waiting for Christmas. If you let them give this insulting offer to us this time, next time they'll give even less...

--- someone in a mess room somewhere, probably...

Funnily enough I heard pretty much that the other day.....in a scotrail bothy.

 

[infobleep]

I would be fascinated to now what the NO votes were holding out for! If any of them happen to read this please do let us know

Perhaps they thought it was too high.

 

[12LDA28C]

I think it varies from TOC to TOC depending on your pay anniversary. For us, we had an increase in October 2020 as the final year of a multi year deal. October 2021 to October 2022 was written off due to Covid, meaning our dispute started in October 2022. The rate of inflation from October 2022 until the present day currently stands at 9.5%.

I'm assuming your October 2022 pay rise would not have been based on the October 2022 RPI figure though, it would have been a figure from a few months prior surely (for example, RPI in July 2022 was 12.3%). The 2022, 2023 and 2024 pay deals would have been based on the relevant months' RPI figures, and the fact that RPI right now is low, bringing the average rate of inflation down over the last 2 years is of no consequence when calculating what an RPI-based pay increase for each individual year since 2022 should look like.

 

[Efini92]

I would be fascinated to now what the NO votes were holding out for! If any of them happen to read this please do let us know

2019’s pay award.

 

[Intermodal]

Funnily enough I heard pretty much that the other day.....in a scotrail bothy.

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest! Imagine if they had to work for a living.

 

[chuff chuff]

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest! Imagine if they had to work for a living.

There is also the fact that a lot of the diagrams are pretty quiet with the current amended timetable.

 

[Duffer]

I'm assuming your October 2022 pay rise would not have been based on the October 2022 RPI figure though, it would have been a figure from a few months prior surely (for example, RPI in July 2022 was 12.3%). The 2022, 2023 and 2024 pay deals would have been based on the relevant months' RPI figures, and the fact that RPI right now is low, bringing the average rate of inflation down over the last 2 years is of no consequence when calculating what an RPI-based pay increase for each individual year since 2022 should look like.

Well, yes, I get exactly where you’re coming from and I believe that the starting point for negotiations in our case is usually the August RPI figure which, as you rightly say, in this case would have been a chunky double digit number. But, in this case, because the dispute was so drawn out and protracted, enough time elapsed to see what inflation actually did from October 2022 onwards until the present day rather than base it on the change in prices from August 2021 to August 2022, which is what might have happened had they been ‘traditional’ negotiations. But, yes, as I say, I see where you’re coming from.

 

[SCDR_WMR]

Or used an electronic referendum like RMT do.

I don't believe they can actually, LLC at my place said it's in written into the charter that ballots must be postal