365517,New Livery.

[ungreat]

This unit is now painted in what appears to be a similar livery to the EC HSTs that retained their NX livery. Has FCC logo on coach side, but really resembles the white/grey/silver NX livery.

I think it is the new TSGN livery. I saw it yesterday.Looked rather good to be honest

 

[Manchester77]

365 in TSGN livery. by Sparkyscrum, on Flickr

Like this?

 

[ungreat]

Yes,more or less!
It was inside Hornsey shed. I'd just been to get my units and saw it parked up

 

[Katada]

Much better than the purple First liveries.

 

[ungreat]

It did look pretty good

 

[RochdalePioneers]

Is this another example of a franchise having its identity set by the DfT or will we see some daft paint scheme once the franchise gets privatised again to some foreign government?

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[badassunicorn]

I was waiting for someone to notice it ^_^ It left Ilford yard last week looking all clean and sparkly on the outside. Think its got new seat covers and a bit of a refresh inside, looks pretty smart I reckon.
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and also they are all getting done like that one, Bombardier at Ilford have the contract

 

[Manchester77]

They're all Having a C6 overhaul will probably be presented in the new year

 

[Telcontar]

Eeek. What have they done?

Is it just me, or does that look exceptionally drab? Livery by committee — a design that offends nobody, yet pleases nobody?

I miss the NSE livery on the 365s, and to me, 377s looked their best in their bare indigo/pink paint job with the white doorway outlines, before the FCC vinyls were applied (I don't like the older First livery with the cyan gradient, used for example on 319s and 365s). London Midland's livery for me is a great example of something both mature and modern.

Also, is it just me, or do those pale blue doors look to be too poorly contrasted to meet disability regulations?

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Pity they haven't done anything to try to hide the silly grin on the front end...

 

[Telcontar]

Probably a tip of the hat to Rev W Awdry.

 

[Eagle]

Also, is it just me, or do those pale blue doors look to be too poorly contrasted to meet disability regulations?

Yeah, that's what I thought too. They're about the same lightness as the grey. I have perfect colour vision and it's not very distinctive; I can imagine that there are some forms of colourblindness where it's virtually indistinguishable.

The easiest way to tell how contrastive the colours are is to set the picture to black and white. It should still be contrastive. In this case:

No good at all.


Of course this is just a picture from a magazine, and we haven't seen pictures of the real thing yet. It may turn out that the colours in that picture are not accurate.

 

[Telcontar]

Wow. The doors are completely invisible.

Siemens have been using the same scheme in their publicity documentation (where the doors do come out a shade darker in greyscale — I know my camera over-brightens blue quite badly), but yes, the design may have been revised since that version was made public.

Maybe they'll start from scratch … :]

 

[Aictos]

Wow. The doors are completely invisible.

Siemens have been using the same scheme in their publicity documentation (where the doors do come out a shade darker in greyscale — I know my camera over-brightens blue quite badly), but yes, the design may have been revised since that version was made public.

Maybe they'll start from scratch … :]

Not really, if you look on the Flickr link, the doors are a very light blue so are not invisible as you claim :roll:

 

[jon0844]

I think the problem was with people who have a form of colour blindness.

There are detailed documents on contrasting colours for this purpose and I have to assume they were consulted, or else someone will point it out once they're in service.

I have no idea if grey and blue are a problem, but the greyscale version does certainly highlight the lack of a sharp contrast, as both colours are quite light. Even a border could have helped, as used by some TOCs.

We shall have to see the real things though, but it wouldn't surprise me that someone overlooked something rather serious.

 

[GWRtom]

Very nice.

 

[starrymarkb]

Not really, if you look on the Flickr link, the doors are a very light blue so are not invisible as you claim :roll:

I think the point their making is the contrast, by making it black and white it shows there is little contrast between the door and body (there is allegedly a minimum contrast level)

 

[ungreat]

It (the blue)looked a lot darker in real life.I took a few pictures of it as well

 

[Skimble19]

Are there any photos of it online yet? I've had a quick look but can't seem to see any.

ungreat, would you mind posting yours?

 

[jon0844]

Yes, I'd rather like to see what it looks like too, please.

 

[Katada]

Why do different coloured doors have any purpose? They aren't slam doors, who needs to know where they are? They'll surely notice where the doors are once they're opened in any case.

 

[Manchester77]

So that partially sighted people can identify where the doors are. Part of the DDA regulations

 

[Telcontar]

Why do different coloured doors have any purpose? They aren't slam doors, who needs to know where they are? They'll surely notice where the doors are once they're opened in any case.

This depends on whether there is anyone else entering or leaving the carriage in question (or even anywhere along the train) who opens a set of doors first. The assumption being I imagine that people have sufficiently good close-up vision to find the door controls so long as they can see, from a distance, where the doors actually are.

I'm not versed in the specific visual deficiencies that these regulations cater for.

I miss the old GNER livery prior to the addition of the bright red doors. Now, if you were to have all doors open automatically (like on the Tube), would that be better or worse? Would an open doorway stand out enough on a navy blue train?

It should for the most part be a viable alternative: preserve the livery, just open all the doors automatically. Bit of extra draught for passengers

 

[Katada]

This depends on whether there is anyone else entering or leaving the carriage in question (or even anywhere along the train) who opens a set of doors first. The assumption being I imagine that people have sufficiently good close-up vision to find the door controls so long as they can see, from a distance, where the doors actually are.

I'm not versed in the specific visual deficiencies that these regulations cater for.

I miss the old GNER livery prior to the addition of the bright red doors. Now, if you were to have all doors open automatically (like on the Tube), would that be better or worse? Would an open doorway stand out enough on a navy blue train?

It should for the most part be a viable alternative: preserve the livery, just open all the doors automatically. Bit of extra draught for passengers

Personally I doubt this affects many, if any, people with sight issues, it's been included in these regulations to make it seem as if they're doing something to help people with disabilities.

If someone is blind enough to not see where the doors are, I think it's a risk them being on any station at all.

 

[A-driver]

Had a few hours to kill at Hornsey yesterday so went and had a look around the unit.

The doors are quite a strong contrast, the grey body is more white than grey and the doors much darker than the picture posted here.

The front looks very different, all they have done is paint the yellow windscreen surround white and the black lip under the screen to yellow but it looks much more modern.

Inside they are still laying carpets and fitting seats but new grab rails in the vestibules and thinner seats in first class plus new lighter blue covers on both standard and first seats.

Cabs havnt even been hoovered so still filthy and covered in litter but there you go...

 

[Skimble19]

Wasn't aware any seats were being changed.. shame really, always thought the First Class seats were rather comfy, albeit a tad awkward to get into if by the window.

I assume the new grab rails are for DDA purposes? I'd say I was surprised about the cabs but I'm not..

 

[jon0844]

The seats in first class were certainly quite hard to get into thanks to the huge tables. I wonder if they'll continue to have the switch for the overhead reading lights - or they'll be removed?

I also wonder if the trains will get LED lighting .. and isn't it also getting new screens (or at least new software) for the PIS? Plus some modifications to the toilets, or at least the disabled one. I'm guessing they might change the seating around there - as those tip up seats can be quite hard to tip up.

And as for the cabs.. well, from what I've seen (which isn't a lot) over the years, some drivers are clearly as bad as the passengers at times.

 

[GoByThameslink]

Of note is that the image at the top uses the same design and colours as (apparently) planned for the new class 700s:

... I wonder if these will also use the slightly darker colours referred to above.

 

[ModernRailways]

Of note is that the image at the top uses the same design and colours as (apparently) planned for the new class 700s:

... I wonder if these will also use the slightly darker colours referred to above.

Considering they are part of the same franchise and will also be part of the TSGN project then I imagine that is why. It's also a fairly neutral colour scheme so easier to change liveries at the end of the franchise.

 

[starrymarkb]

Personally I doubt this affects many, if any, people with sight issues, it's been included in these regulations to make it seem as if they're doing something to help people with disabilities.

If someone is blind enough to not see where the doors are, I think it's a risk them being on any station at all.

Well a few of the continental operators are adopting it as good practice - SNCF's new livery has contrast doors, as does most new Swiss Stock, SNCB and DB Regio (not Intercity) seem to be doing so aswell