2016 US election discussion

[miami]

I wonder what will happen with Trump's fence when this inevitably happens?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35687257

A crowd of migrants has burst through a barbed-wire fence on the Macedonia-Greece border using a steel pole as a battering ram.
TV footage showed migrants pushing against the fence at Idomeni, ripping away barbed wire, as Macedonian police let off tear gas to force them away.

A section of fence was smashed open with the battering ram. It is not clear how many migrants got through.

US cops going to shoot families as they surge across the border?

 

[Busaholic]

An analysis I read in yesterday's 'Times' suggested that Sanders should win two states in today's Super Tuesday, and possibly a third, in which case, just like Obama eight years ago, he might just have the momentum to challenge Hillary Roddam: the problem then becomes the 15% of the delegates who are 'superdelegates' outwith the state system, and they are expected to predominate for Clinton.

 

[me123]

I wonder what will happen with Trump's fence when this inevitably happens?

He'll blame the Mexicans. After all, they're going to be the ones who build the Great Wall of Trump. To keep themselves out of his country. Because, you know, that's going to happen...

The key for the Republicans tonight is Texas. Drumpf should do well everywhere, but Cruz really needs to win his home state of Texas. A Drumpf win there will have him on a fairly comfortable course to nomination. However, Cruz has been comfortably in the lead here, and this is a big state with lots of delegates.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
Polls closed in GA, VA and VT, and based on exit polling:

Clinton to take Georgia and Virginia, Sanders to take his home state of Vermont.
Trump to take Georgia, Virginia and Vermont "too close to call" - a close race between Trump and Rubio in VA, and Trump and Kasich in VT.

Tonight is, of course, a real test for Trump. However, with five people running for the GOP nomination, I'm not convinced that any rise in support for other candidates will be little more than a minor setback for Drumpf. If the polls are right, there's broad support for three of his four rivals (Cruz should take Texas and has evangelical support, Kasich could take the more moderate Northern states, Rubio is gaining ground elsewhere), but he'll come first or second in most (if not all). What the Republicans need if they are to stop Trump is to gather behind a single opponent.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
Looks to be a good night for Clinton - she looks set to take AL and TN as well.
Trump looks like he's got TN, AL, MA.

I think this could well be the night when the two most likely candidates (Don and Hil) will set themselves well ahead of the pack.

 

[miami]

An analysis I read in yesterday's 'Times' suggested that Sanders should win two states in today's Super Tuesday, and possibly a third, in which case, just like Obama eight years ago, he might just have the momentum to challenge Hillary Roddam: the problem then becomes the 15% of the delegates who are 'superdelegates' outwith the state system, and they are expected to predominate for Clinton.

Who is Hillary Roddam?

Hillary Clinton is the name she's using for nomination, Hillary Rodham Clinton is the name she's used in matters of state, Hillary Rodham was her original name.

Is this the same school of thought that decided to Call Barrack Obama "B Hussein Obama"? Even Conservapedia uses Hillary Rodham Clinton for the article title, and refers to her as Hillary Clinton throughout.

 

[me123]

Clinton did well last night as expected, she's predicted to have just over 1,000 delegates now of the 2,383 needed. She extends her lead over Sanders, who trails with 371 delegates. Clinton won 7 out of the 11 states, and appeared to broadly be more comfortable in the states she did win than Sanders did in his states (CO, MN, OK, VT). Both candidates comfortably won in their "home' states of VT and AR.

Trump did well as predicted, taking 7 of 11. But Cruz did well too - he took Alaska (Palin's support not helping Trump it seems), Oklahoma, and he'll be relived that his home state of Texas supported him too. He's not out of it yet. Texas appears to still have delegates to appoint, so I think Cruz will narrow the gap further on Trump. This could be a crucial moment - give Cruz momentum and he could challenge Drumpf yet.

 

[Busaholic]

Who is Hillary Roddam?

Hillary Clinton is the name she's using for nomination, Hillary Rodham Clinton is the name she's used in matters of state, Hillary Rodham was her original name.

Is this the same school of thought that decided to Call Barrack Obama "B Hussein Obama"? Even Conservapedia uses Hillary Rodham Clinton for the article title, and refers to her as Hillary Clinton throughout.

A biography of her that came out about fifteen/twenty years ago used her three names as its title - I 'misremembered' how Rodham was spelt, obviously, but then my 'misremembering' is not on the scale of Mrs Clinton's. Actually, the Roddam equates more with the goddam that many called her. By the way, who is Call Barrack Obama? Two can play at being pedantic:roll: If I had been an American, I would certainly have voted for Obama in 2008, but never for a Clinton. Bill Clinton must be the most overrated US president of all time, a complete charlatan.

 

[backontrack]

Clinton did well last night as expected, she's predicted to have just over 1,000 delegates now of the 2,383 needed. She extends her lead over Sanders, who trails with 371 delegates. Clinton won 7 out of the 11 states, and appeared to broadly be more comfortable in the states she did win than Sanders did in his states (CO, MN, OK, VT). Both candidates comfortably won in their "home' states of VT and AR.

Trump did well as predicted, taking 7 of 11. But Cruz did well too - he took Alaska (Palin's support not helping Trump it seems), Oklahoma, and he'll be relived that his home state of Texas supported him too. He's not out of it yet. Texas appears to still have delegates to appoint, so I think Cruz will narrow the gap further on Trump. This could be a crucial moment - give Cruz momentum and he could challenge Drumpf yet.

#MakeDonaldDrumpfAgain

 

[Groningen]

It seems that Hillary in het teens had a cat called Isis. Ben Carson is (seems to be) nearly to quit the race.

 

[me123]

It seems that Hillary in het teens had a cat called Isis.

And?

 

[Groningen]

Call it coincidence in todays world.

 

[miami]

And?

Shows awareness of a world beyond the US borders, and of a time before 1492?

 

[me123]

Call it coincidence in todays world.

It is. It has nothing to do with anything. Daesh weren't active until 1999. A quick search reveals that she had the cat some forty years before they came into existence. I'm not even going to glorify this any further.

 

[TheNewNo2]

How incredibly insensitive of the Egyptians to name a goddess after one possible acronym of a terrorist group several thousand years in the future....

Trump is pretty much bound to have a plurality of delegates at the GOP convention, but it's still up in the air as to whether he would have a majority. If he doesn't get a majority, there's a significant chance that the party nominates someone else at a brokered convention.

Rubio finally won something!


On the Democratic side, Hillary has resumed her status as the inevitable nominee. Sanders can and should keep going, but the delegate rules mean that, short of something catastrophic for Clinton, he's going to lose. He needs to start working out what he's going to do with his newfound fame.


One thing people are suggesting is that the candidacies of Trump and Sanders will lead to a realignment of the parties, with the Reagan coalition finally splintering.

 

[ExRes]

I see google claim that there was a 350% increase in "how can I move to Canada" searches from the USA after the Super Tuesday results

 

[90sWereBetter]

Some Republicans are calling for the party to get behind Ted Cruz now, in a last-ditch attempt to stop Drumpf getting the nomination. This election, good lord.

So with Carson gone, that leaves the big three and Kasich. I think Kasich is hanging on until the Ohio primary. Also, I wonder how much longer the Rubio campaign will be spinning his results as proof he's winning the race?

Oh, and of course, #MakeDonaldDrumpfAgain

 

[miami]

On the Democratic side, Hillary has resumed her status as the inevitable nominee. Sanders can and should keep going, but the delegate rules mean that, short of something catastrophic for Clinton, he's going to lose. He needs to start working out what he's going to do with his newfound fame.

Do runner-up candidates ever get chosen as VP?

 

[backontrack]

Biden was Obama's running mate.

 

[miami]

Some Republicans are calling for the party to get behind Ted Cruz now, in a last-ditch attempt to stop Drumpf getting the nomination. This election, good lord.

So with Carson gone, that leaves the big three and Kasich. I think Kasich is hanging on until the Ohio primary. Also, I wonder how much longer the Rubio campaign will be spinning his results as proof he's winning the race?

Oh, and of course, #MakeDonaldDrumpfAgain

Why?

The child in me does like these definitions of trump:
* Verb. To break wind from the anus, to 'fart'. E.g."There's a disgusting smell in here. Has someone trumped?"
* Since the early fifteenth century... trump has served as a synonym for fart, or rather to denote an especially noisy fart

Or you could realise trump is a symptom of a problem across america and defeating him won't fix the problem

Or you could hope that trump isn't actually a symptom, and just has support because of ignorance, and fight that

I'm hoping for a Trump nomination. He was put up by the Republican establishment so they could roll out the moderates like Cruz. Hopefully this will mean they won't try that again in a hurry.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---

Biden was Obama's running mate.

But his main competition was Clinton, and he withdrew before any primaries.

Clinton of course went on to be secretary of state. Any likely posts for Sanders in a Clinton II administration?

 

[backontrack]

Try the link in my sig...

 

[90sWereBetter]

The thing that gets me is that Drumpf, Cruz and Rubio have all managed to make Mitt Romney and John McCain seem like respectable, moderate candidates. Hell, at the rate the GOP's going, Dubya's gonna be cast as a dirty librul commie.

 

[overthewater]

The thing that gets me is that Drumpf, Cruz and Rubio have all managed to make Mitt Romney and John McCain seem like respectable, moderate candidates. Hell, at the rate the GOP's going, Dubya's gonna be cast as a dirty librul commie.

And there is the problem, most people HATE the GOP and to wheel out fat cat like Mitt Romney isn't going to help. Alot of people will believe there doing the right thing back Donald.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Only slightly off-topic, but it seems John Oliver is more popular at home now than he ever was when he was based here! Of course the problem with satire worldwide is that it generally preaches to the converted...

#MakeDonaldDrumpfAgain

 

[Groningen]

John Oliver has left the United Kingdom and will never return (as long as he is married to that woman he met in Afghanistan). I have this evening my Mitt Romney tweetcounter open and have collected 8.000 tweets in 4 hours. And rising and rising and rising! It hurts the Republican party, but not Donald Trump!

John Oliver in Canada: The decline of the American Empire - Just for Laughs - Montreal Part 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK_u7yWTd3U

Howard Stern Interviews John Oliver:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBhTpWnm15o

Please do also not forget Stephen Colbert at his own channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMtFAi84ehTSYSE9XoHefig

 

[backontrack]

Please do also not forget Stephen Colbert at his own channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMtFAi84ehTSYSE9XoHefig

Indeed, I love Colbert! I'm glad someone else also watches his videos.

 

[TheNewNo2]

I'm hoping for a Trump nomination. He was put up by the Republican establishment so they could roll out the moderates like Cruz. Hopefully this will mean they won't try that again in a hurry.

Is that a conspiracy theory I hear?

Frankly, the GOP made Trump because they have been pandering to the racists and xenophobes on the right for far too long.

Remember how in 2008 John McCain corrected someone who claimed Obama was out to hurt America? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrnRU3ocIH4) I liked McCain, he seemed a decent guy. Then he picked Palin. And nowadays...

[youtube]UFa0dNY3QtU[/youtube]

 

[MidlandMainlie]

I'm hoping for a Trump nomination. He was put up by the Republican establishment so they could roll out the moderates like Cruz. Hopefully this will mean they won't try that again in a hurry.

I would hardly describe Cruz as a moderate, someone who wants to completely ban abortion (even in cases of rape or incest). The fact that he is second to Trump while the republican establishments prefered candidate Rubio is third is a real problem for the GOP as senior republicans carn't stand Cruz, something Trump has enjoyed pointing out in debates.

In other news I see Ben Carson as formally dropped of the race for nomination due to a lack of support, surprised he lasted this long to be honest. John Kasich as the most moderate of the remaining candidates will go next which is a shame as he probably had the best chance of appealing to more moderate Americans in the presidential election.

 

[Busaholic]

Is that a conspiracy theory I hear?

Frankly, the GOP made Trump because they have been pandering to the racists and xenophobes on the right for far too long.

Remember how in 2008 John McCain corrected someone who claimed Obama was out to hurt America? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrnRU3ocIH4) I liked McCain, he seemed a decent guy. Then he picked Palin. And nowadays...

[youtube]UFa0dNY3QtU[/youtube]

I got the impression McCain was quite relieved when he lost - I don't think Trump will take it so gracefully!

 

[Groningen]

Remember that Trump did not serve in the military and still attacked McCain when MC was a hostage in Vietnam. Trump says: Always felt that I was in the military because of his education at a military-themed boarding school. His experience gave him more training than a lot of the guys that go into the miltary.

 

[Busaholic]

Remember that Trump did not serve in the military and still attacked McCain when MC was a hostage in Vietnam. Trump says: Always felt that I was in the military because of his education at a military-themed boarding school. His experience gave him more training than a lot of the guys that go into the miltary.

Only a shame they didn't try their waterboarding techniques on him - or perhaps they did, and that might explain everything.

 

[miami]

I would hardly describe Cruz as a moderate

Sorry, moderate should have been in quotes.

It's all relative, and the idea for the republicans was that Trump would shift the Overton window so you'd have "the far left" of Clinton, the "middle ground" of Cruz, and the "far right" of Trump.

In reality Clinton would be on the right-side of the Tory party in the UK