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This. You took the words right off my keyboard, even before I'd read the rest of what comes below.

Well, yes, you may well be correct there, it could ultimately be a right old cock up and in 10 years time we'll look and consider "what were they thinking?". As much as I'm personally an HST fanboy, the signs at the moment are not particularly good. In days to come perhaps you can sit back and...

Don't get me wrong, my eyebrows were raised very high when I found out that the SR franchise went for the HSTs. However, they have, and there are reasonably sound reasons behind it - for better or worse, as it has turned out. And that's that. Everyone has a choice to make. Either get behind it...

I suspect the point being made is that just because something is brand new doesn't mean it's better than anything else, nor that it's going to be delivered on time.

Does this mean that SR have 5 sets already in their possession, including the refurbished one?

The late delivery of the unrefurbished coaches doesn't make the project a bad one in itself, just a poorly planned and managed one. Who's to blame? Probably everyone involved, a bit each. Nor does it necessarily make it a wrong decision, time will tell on that when the reliability and passenger...

So, it's a mere 11 weeks until the 09/12 timetable change. Things are going to have to happen pretty quickly! Of course assuming that the previously cited news article is correct that x9 unrefurbished sets, plus the refurbished set, will be fully up and running and ready to serve the new...

Going a bit off thread, however, briefly, I still enjoy having the option to stick my head out the HST Mk3 door windows (at whatever cost to my shirt). In fact, I sometimes just go and stand in the vestibule with the window down for the fun of it. Any HST will make it certain that I'll use the...

Absolutely, not just short people but anyone really. My mother of average height can't do it, it shouldn't be happening. Sticking your head out of a train window doesn't come naturally to most people at the best of times. The Young Ones "Universally Challenged" episode with Vivian en route...

Yes, indeed. It's going to take some adjustment going "backwards" to having to mechanically open a door from the outside, and having to re-learn how to open one from the inside - rather than just press a button. It always amuses me, in admittedly a slightly cruel way, watching people...

If it comes to pass that the unrefurished "40 year old English cast offs....second hand trains..." etc. etc. sets do come in it, will be fascinating to discover if the general public prefer them, or not, to a 158/170.....

Most interesting. So, that's the first real news on this for months, SR explicitly blaming Wabtec. They (SR) must have been forced into saying something for no other reason than time is running out. If the article is be believed, we can expect 9 "unrefurbisheds" coming along in Dec. This must...

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/scotrail-were-not-consulted-over-hampden-semi-finals-decision-1-4806881 A notably swift Twitter comment from SR, amongst the rest of it. Perhaps a slick PR machine covering their bases.

Definitely an opportunity for SR to get one or two un-refurbished sets in to service and make some positive spin out of it.

Absolutely agree, the information vacuum from SR is becoming more damaging by the day. Unfortunately, though, the gap between real-life practicalities and passenger experiences versus what the media report (or speculate on) is vast. Especially with the ill-informed and political aspects, which...

Very interesting. Can't wait to see how SR spin this one. Some sections of the media are going to have a field day with this for various reasons already mentioned above. However, hopefully the reality will overcome the inevitable initial press negativity.

This was mentioned earlier with a detailed link to another thread (apologies to that contributor, I can't remember who provided it) regarding the various 170s/158s heading off elsewhere, versus the 385s etc coming in - which will release various DMUs that could serve until the HSTs arrive. The...

Difficult to know what the poster means by "clean up" and why (s)he bothered posting the comment. Main point was that it appears to be pics of the training train, and provides a good comparison of how much the new SR livery smartens up the Mk3s - on the outside at least.

Just a single reply to avoid going off topic but yes I also remember the demise of the Deltic and intro of the HST on the ECML - and the screaming Valenta, having to hold hands over my ears as the rear power car went by.

Presumably this "#intershi*ty" is the training train. https://twitter.com/GentlemanJamie/status/1040654311817138179/photo/1