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No worries i thought so. Not unless they had some great plan for a return to Plymouth after 5 years of being away!

Ah suppose..that would make more sense, I was just referring to earlier post

Seems extravagant to have depot in Plymouth etc just for few college routes!!

Any idea where First depot will be in Plymouth?

Any idea if Stagecoach proposed changes for Plymouth area contained in their 2020 consultation will ever happen or have they been binned? Thinking of 101 park and ride being rerouted via Mutley instead of Milehouse and X38 Exeter to Plymouth terminating at Ivybridge? Also if 101 operates via...

They have won about 17 college routes in Cornwall and Devon. Plymouth will be a base for Eastern Cornwall and Plymouth college routes to Duchy college I believe, with Exeter being base for East and Central Devon.

No I know I just thought it was funny!

First are advertising for bus drivers based in Plymouth on their job site based at The Ride, their old home now owned by Stagecoach

Actually they did. The loses were less in the last 2 years they were in bus war with Citybus than they were before but unfortunately not at break even point or to a level that stopped them pulling out once an offer for depot was received from Stagecoach.

Ah those were the days... then First pulled out of Barne Barton and launched extension to their service 3... the 3a... city, Peverell, St Pancras Ave, Honicknowle, West Park, St Budeaux, City circular. This seemed very popular though and seemed to have the better of Citybus 61 on same...

Yes very true, question is will Stagecoach always continue to be happy with such a small scale Plymouth ops, considering their size in the rest of Devon. They seem to 'compete ' quite well on the main routes into Plymouth city centre, and gained the 9 council rendered routes in 2018 so...

I believe Badgerline had a hand in Western National during the original Plymouth bus war with Ply mouth Citybus (then municipal) in 1988. Lasted 8 months or so until they both retreated to their traditional territory with Western National gaining a few routes off Citybus. First then took over...

Precisely. It also means when there are temporary issues such as roadworks, Citybus services end up late or cancelled whilst Stagecoach seem to carry on ok.

Yes. The other operator in the city, Stagecoach only change twice a year, normally May and September, perhaps minor adjustments in Jan . First when they operated in Plymouth before selling to Stagecoach also changed twice per year but pcb must be 5 times a year I would say

Citybus are unreal they change timetable every few months. Not known any operator like it.

The Plymouth bus war between First and Citybus (Go Ahead) rumbled on and off for years ending with both operators covering large chunks of the city and beyond, with pretty decent fare offers too At one point I had 37 buses an hour to the city from where I live. It ultimately ended with First...

Something that I suspect FK were not naive enough to do.

Something that I suspect FK were not naive enough to do.

Seems pointless fighting over ten or so customers... I think perhaps Go Ahead do not fully understand the rural ops in Cornwall which in the main, First seem to have nailed?

I am not sure about the buses but I can see this contract being to a total disaster for Go Ahead as can't see they will ever recruit enough drivers not to need agency staff. That added to the loyalty to First that many locals have. I can see this having serious effect on Go South West profits...