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One issue is that the UK is the most centralised major economy in the world so local cities don't even have much tax raising powers to do things themselves even if they want to. Worst of all worlds of Treasury keeps saying no then doesn't want to devolve power.

No new Bakerloo trains makes a mockery of the goverents statements on building not blocking, new homes etc. Imagine all the new Elephant and Castle towers are built and the Bakerloo line serving it sees cuts. 1749502029 It's high enough for one single station in Thamesmead that doesn't even...

People falling into the north v south trap again (even though much of the south sees crap spend eg the south west). In addition it's just not the norm for most developed nations to spend only in one area at the expense of another like we tend to do. London NEEDS investment as a major world city...

The foreshadowing doesn't look good. A government that is interested in growth would not play the old north v south game and invest in both (along with east and west). The only good thing would be ditching the DLR to Thamesmead scheme. A project born out of desperation when much better schemes...

It is odd. Metro stations seem barely staffed even in very busy areas but get out of London and its another story.

So we're expecting an announcement at the spending review on new stock? It's now 33 months since the tender was first announced.

nw1 - Towns along it have seen a lot of change in the past 10+ years and the line has some fast growing spots with further growth. 4,000 homes in Attleborough are approved with many walkable to the station. Thousands planned in Wymondham. A lot were recently built to the south of the station and...

The Breckland line is on the way becoming more of a Metro (!) with the mass housebuilding plans along it at various stations. Attleborough is to double in size. Wymondham has seen thousands of homes approved. Thetford is growing etc. The rest of thr stations between Norwich and Ely are little...

If they're leased it won't go on capex but operating budgets? Even at 30+ years old and maintenance being an issue will keeping them going work out cheaper than leasing new stock?

The link isn't Wikipedia. Here's another link showing 2022 was when the tender first announced. https://www.railjournal.com/fleet/southeastern-tenders-new-rolling-stock-fleet/ 2024 which the first post of this thread refers to was the subsequent stage of the tender which commenced earlier.

It was 2022 wasn't it when the tender announced? https://bidstats.uk/tenders/2022/W45/786367024 Think it's safe to say a full build and introduction by 2027 is not happening.

I've seen similar before at other events in the country. It's of course sensible to manage crowds outside but in reality so few are/were allowed onto the concourse trains leave empty as chaos builds outside with a lack of communication, crushing at times and frustrated, irate people not allowed...

Get some pacers back from the schoolyard. Could well be in better condition inside

Good thing is revenue is rising pretty well and there's plenty of scope to improve eg restoring services in busy areas, new housing around stations etc as raised by new government. Also its good that in London TfL is no longer in deficit though struggling in certain areas (mainly buses and DLR...

So much time has passed I can't remember when the estimate for tender award was? Spring 2025?

TfL are in surplus this year and last so they have additional scope/funds for cleaning, which in the overall budget is hardly a great expense. Anyway if TfL need money raise the free travel age past 60. That cohort are generally wealthier than the under 40s these days who pay sky high housing...

Didn't the third Norwich to London proposal utilise 720s? Is it just a lack of trained drivers stopping 720s boosting frequencies on the line? 3 tph could also permit 2 to stop at Stratford perhaps? Stratford is only getting ever busier and the redevelopment of the area half way complete...

The constant closures every single weekend are getting silly now. The network isn't reliable at all outside of a weekday. Must be costing TfL a ton in lost fare revenue.

The Hounslow loop certainly does need to go back to 4 tph but not quite true all Southeastern services have returned to 4tph off peak to all Metro stations. They remain at 2 tph through Deptford and Greenwich after recent cuts which is the lowest for decades albeit with two Thameslink (thus...

It wouldn't be a surprise to see some reach the 2030s and 40 years since first built. There's more than 100 units even after all Class 707s came over and the latest cascade completes (only 13 377s are moving to SE) and still the process of a tender award, construction, testing, driving training...