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Actually it doesn't make sense at all, although your comment does reveal the successful nature of the anti-HS2 campaign, conducted almost exclusively from a narrow corridor directly adjacent to the approved Route3 pathway. Anti-HS2 campaigners, motivated by an agenda of naked self-interest...

They couldn't give a proverbial monkeys about the existing rail infrastructure because, as others have pointed out, most of the individuals populating the anti-HS2 camp don't have any use for railservices in the first place - the aim of the NO merchants is resolutely focused on a single outcome...

@brianthegiant - Exactly! This devious tactic forms a central plank in the mendacious arguments propagated by the anti-HS2 brigade. The goal is obvious - bamboozle the public by repeating a list of seemingly reasonable investments in the classic line that are NOT happening because all the...

You seem to know more about the fine details of this process than I do! I'm only repeating what I've seen on the DfT website - reported in this thread and the openly repeated admission on the STOPHS2 website that 25th October is the day when the Hybrid Bill will be deposited in Parliament. You...

Many thanks @swt_passenger for pointing this out You are correct - the Fixed Term Parliament Act also fixed the date of the next General Election, 7th May 2015, so give or take a couple of days, my maths makes that 3 years from now? The date when the Hybrid Bill is scheduled to enter...

@Nym In other words, something like this Although I'd move the whole trajectory (in close proximity to the Airport environs) approx 1km to the East so it intersects (at right angles) with the current Manchester Airport terminus station

@Nym I'm sorry but you've lost me completely Please explain in detail your logic for determining the route between North Cheshire and and South Manchester. Better still, update your map showing the route linking the layout in and around Manchester to the main HS2 phase 2 pathway coming up...

@Nym Let's leave the route to the North for the moment - I can perceive the logic in your idea, although I might take issue with some precise pathways - I have to assume that large parts of the layout shown are tunnelled - for example it goes right through the middle of the Manchester University...

@Nym Just looked at your map and it's carefully thought out in terms of approach into city centre Manchester and an arrangement to facilitate both North and South travelling services out of both city centre Manchester and the planned Manchester South hub station at the Airport. So far so...

@Nym I can see where you're coming from but there's one big problem with that arrangement and it is lack of direct integration with the existing classic line into Manchester Airport. The Airport Station has already been expanded once since its original opening - now has 3 platforms? When the...

@Nym / @Holly OK, I'm with you all the way on the complete rebuild of Mayfield as HS2 city centre Manchester terminus, reworking of the throat using a new viaduct arrangement - looking at the satellite images of the area on Google Earth, this is the only way to facilitate 400m long platforms on...

1. Yes, of course High Speed Rail will reduce journey times but the primary rationale driving HS2 (and specifically phase 1 of the project between London and Birmingham) is the massive increase in capacity and reliability provided by the new line, right where it's needed. 2. Phase 1 of the new...

Please note that whilst the regeneration effects in and around HS stations are only one part of the equation, for decision makers in Manchester, its value in acting as a catalyst for stimulating growth and generating jobs for Mancunians can't be overstated. Building HS2 remains controversial -...

It's not an issue for me, @Robbies, having a station located at Manchester Airport - I repeat, I remain strongly supportive of HS2, despite its relative proximity to my house - during the period between completion of phases 1 & 2, the Classic Compatible trainsets will operate on the WCML into...

Indeed, I've been attempting to discern the Western arm's route ever since phase 1 was placed in the public domain. I put together my best guess, based on an mix of various snippets gleaned from a variety of sources and posted it on to another thread here. Like you I'm not in a privileged...

@nerd: Which - given the Hybrid Bill procedure - means that the project as a whole is not necessarily delayed. Which brings us back full circle to the unavoidable conclusion that the Judicial Challenge(s) is a delaying tactic, plain and simple and it won't even deliver that goal either...

For those questioning the tactics and motivations driving the Anti-HS2 brigade - just visit some of the sites, STOPHS2, HS2AA, 51M Group, etc. and peruse the dialogue. It doesn't take long to understand that the world is split into two halves; Those that see HS2 and all of its associated...

@nerd Is the mapping website used to create your route map and post a link available to anyone? If so please post a link so I can create an alternative visualisation of my best guestimate?

Many thanks for the comments posted in this thread. Discussion of lines after phase 2 might be a little premature given the timescales involved for the first two sections, currently displaying a completion date of 2033! Since my initial post, there has been a public announcement on phase 2...

@Rational Plan Exactly my thoughts. HS2 is now, due to the unceasing efforts of a tiny but well connected, well funded and very vocal minority in the Chilterns, something of a political hot potato. The STOPHS2, HS2AA and AGHAST campaign groups are just itching to discover details of the...