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    HS2 Northern Branches Discussion

    Why - I looked only a matter of days ago and there were no less than seven daily flights from Manchester to Paris - I'm struggling to comprehend the oft repeated argument that just because the journey is an hour longer (when HS2 phase 2 is up and running the journey time between a Manchester...
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    HS2 Northern Branches Discussion

    Sorry, where did you arrive at the idea that the Manchester City Centre Station would be anything other than a terminus? Perhaps I'm wrong but I had always understood that the station in Manchester City Centre would not be through running - a spur line would link phase 2 back into the WCML...
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    HS2 Northern Branches Discussion

    Not quite sure how you arrive at that conclusion. If there is a link line between phase 2 of HS2 and the existing WCML this does not necessarily require shifting the entire line to the west as you suggest? Then I suggest a visit to the URL shown directly below, where scrolling down the page a...
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    HS2 Northern Branches Discussion

    Not necessarily - if the line crosses the A527 at Knypersley, judicious use of Green Tunnelling will minimise impact on the area (although it will take out some houses) and once beyond there the line would dive back into a relatively short deep bore tunnel to negotiate the ridge of hills...
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    HS2 Northern Branches Discussion

    1. No matter how hard you look, there will be no route found capable of avoiding everyone, everywhere 2. The minimum radius curvature required to facilitate 400km/h running speed is 7200m 3. Tunnelling in and around the area of Brown Edge and again north east of Mow Cop will avoid most...
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    HS2 Northern Branches Discussion

    @steamdrivenand The story about Crewe refers to a link line between HS2 phase 2 and the existing WCML, to facilitate improved connections to Liverpool (operating with Classic Compatible Rolling Stock) not the route of HS2 phase 2 line itself. I've attached again my best guestimate, previously...
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    High Speed Two (HS2) discussion

    I think you'd be correct in assuming that. The government is waiting, as I predicted in another thread, to see the outcome of the Judicial Review hearings, taking place this week. I thought they might use the Christmas break as some kind of cover for this long awaited announcement but it...
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    High Speed Two (HS2) discussion

    The hardline opposition largely located in Buckinghamshire will only go away if the threat of the line is completely removed from their immediate locality, ie. moved to someone else's backyard - a tunnel isn't acceptable because it involves huge amounts of spoil requiring removal and the...
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    HS2 Northern Branches Discussion

    My view on this is exactly opposite to your conclusion. Announcing the route beforehand only to discover that the entire timeline and process of HS2 is thrown into doubt WOULD prove tricky, which I why I believe the DfT will wait to discover what observations the Judicial Review throws up...
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    HS2 Northern Branches Discussion

    I suppose your take on this depends on interpretation of the phrase "take on board local views"? You posted a link to a document drawn from the DfT website On that website is a page dedicated to a timeline of HS2 events http://www.dft.gov.uk/topics/high-speed-rail/timeline which shows; Autumn...
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    HS2 Northern Branches Discussion

    Not my understanding of the current situation. The draft plans for phase 2 were on the SoS for Transport's desk some months back - and they won't alter dramatically just because the person sitting at that desk has changed. The principal reason behind the delay is more likely to be the...
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    High Speed Two (HS2) discussion

    It would be nice to think that a number of proposed routes, exhibiting varying mixes of benefits and faults, could be placed in the public domain, for rational and objective deliberation. Sadly that won't be possible because common sense and rational behaviour are the very first human traits...
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    High Speed Two (HS2) discussion

    My best guess for the North West England section still has the route east of Stoke - I can't see a station being sited within Staffordshire at all. My bet is that the final route is closer to the Peak District than most people envisage (although obviously it won't actually touch the National...
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    High Speed Two (HS2) discussion

    @nerd Many thanks for this information, which relates specifically to Hybrid and Private Members Bills Of course, for the Hybrid Bill to transfer in this manner a motion must be brought forward and carried. Given the highly politicised nature of HS2, that outcome is by no means certain. I...
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    High Speed Two (HS2) discussion

    This entire discussion, about alignments, locations of stations etc. etc. is meaningless and irrelevant if the Hybrid Bill does not go through. There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding about the role of this enabling legislation. If a Bill fails to pass during a single Parliamentary...
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    High Speed Two (HS2) discussion

    Nice try but to put it bluntly - pull the other one!!! The analysis of consultation responses referred to by @WatcherZero illustrates the remarkable correlation between proximity to the approved ROUTE3 pathway and HS2 opposition. You only need to take a glance at the maps on page 13 of the...
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    High Speed Two (HS2) discussion

    Really - my information is that the cost per metre for deep core tunnelling is approx 5 fold its equivalent surface construction. Extending tunnels ad-infinitum is not cost effective (for the taxpayer picking up the bill) and in many cases is not even feasible due to topographical and...
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    High Speed Two (HS2) discussion

    Fact is, there is no perfect, faultless solution available - to begin with the scenario is dynamic so you can never expect to predict the future with absolute accuracy. The current planned design will evolve over the extended time period of the project anyway. More specifically, when it comes...
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    High Speed Two (HS2) discussion

    errrrr......actually this timing is absolutely germane to the debate. Every time you see or hear any kind of discussion regarding HS2, those hostile to HS2, even if they don't live in the area, argue that one of the reasons why they are against the project is because there are other more...
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    High Speed Two (HS2) discussion

    .....errrrr - what has YouGov got to do with STOPHS2, HS2AA & AGHAST - answer: ZIP all!!! YouGov is a public opinion sampling organisation - the aforesaid campaign groups I've referred to are all based in an around the approved ROUTE3 pathway. Jerry Marshall is chair of AGHAST, he lives in...

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