Hopefully nationalisation will mean we have control of whats ordered from where etc, and a plan can be made to provide all of alstom, hitachi, caf and siemens factories with enough work to keep them open. And I suspect Burnham would place much greater emphasis on vehicles being British built.
What other Adessias are elsewhere? The Irish ones for the DART started off as X’TRAPOLISes, before they were simply re-branded.
When you look at that mockup on a big screen, can clearly see the end seats are raised on a plinth. But they also look like like ironing board seats.
It's likely that the quoted amount is the total contract cost including infrastructure changes for charging, leasing of batteries deferring replacement costs to the manufacturer and maintenance of the trains for a set time period rather than the cost of just the trains themselves.
I suspect they're showing the similarly shaped upgraded Thameslink seating.
This order shows how this will massively change the speed at which services can go electric versus the long timescale for OHLE installation with the attendant improvements in lower operating cost versus diesel, higher acceleration making better use of capacity into congested stations like Leeds and Manchester Piccadilly etc
It will be 125mph north of Church Fenton and on the ECML. The 125mph 802s will still be there.
They have shrunk, originally were to be upto 195m long, with indicative 174 to 330 vehicles (29 trains plus 26 options), so would have been at least 6car with optional 7th car
This is doing it properly in this age. Batteries are more than capable of delivering the required performance and range for these service groups at much lower whole life cost than installing OHLE on all routes served.
Presumably 6 years worth of inflation is also built around in?
There's a trade off between top speed and acceleration. Given the number of stops on the route these will be used on, and the gradients, acceleration is probably more important - no point in an impressive top speed if acceleration is too slow to reach it before having to brake for the next stop.
These are replacing TPE's 185s. Northern has already announced a new fleet, although curiously the class numbers (780, 781, 382) have been announced but, as far as I am aware, not yet the builders.
One of tghose figueres must include the installartion of the charging facilities, but it is not clear which.
It would have more than enough time to get up to 125mph and stay at it on the ECML, especially between Thirsk and York.
It may be significant (but may not....) that the video Alstom produced zoomed in on some pods on the roof when mentioning batteries.
Indeed, but at the cost of acceleration elsewhere
If they're calling at Thirsk, won't they be running on the slow lines? 125 wouldn't be relevant there. And 110 will be good enough to not be a total killer if they end up on the fasts.
How many minutes quicker overall?
There’s some Adessia Max trains in service in France, a lot of Adessia Max, Stream, and Coach vehicles being built at the moment (which will basically be 5-7 years old by the time TPE receives theirs).
Not sure of the numbers but a fair few
The Alstom press release says only €360m of the €1200m contract will be with British suppliers.
I'd well expect that many of the parts used in these trains are on a long lead time; maybe even a year. Any manufacturer of parts sitting around just waiting for this order, wouldn't be in business long. Got to get the staff trained, jigs built, designs agreed and finalised, materials confirmed and ordered. It certainly doesn't seem a long time to get started to me, but then I worked in the industry. Okay, the delivery period may be longer than ideal, but it does give a steady workload.
Level boarding equipment, depot costs, new jigs.. So many variables. The 345s were overhead electric only
That's perfectly normal for any train in any country. Or any bus or car for that matter. Parts are sourced from specialist suppliers globally. My car was built in Germany, has a British-built engine and is badged as a British car.
