2026 Pay Award

[officewalla]

Surely under public ownership, every grade in every business area (ToC) will need to be paid the same and have a pay review body like every other public sector organisation.

 

[whoosh]

Surely under public ownership, every grade in every business area (ToC) will need to be paid the same and have a pay review body like every other public sector organisation.

National Bus Company had different pay and conditions.

 

[Leon Tallis]

The future will probably be Civil Servants pay rises.

At the start, there'll be an initial attempt at a bit of negotiation, but that will be quashed by a "take it and be done, or argue a bit, mess around, whatevs. We're not budging, so you'll settle, and it won't be back paid when you do, so it's your loss" attitude from on high.

The cost to the economy of prolonged railway strikes is higher than the cost of pay rises.

This is not the case for the civil service.

 

[KM1991]

Well, the email from the RMT yesterday regarding negotiations at TOCs was very negative. Not looking good!

 

[Kite159]

Well, the email from the RMT yesterday regarding negotiations at TOCs was very negative. Not looking good!

Considering they went in wanting a no strings attached above RPI pay rise, then I'm not surprised they didn't get what they demanded.

Then the email went on about the profits of rolling stock owning companies & MPs getting a large pay-rise.

 

[jon0844]

The RMT achieved so much before by having someone in charge who could argue the case properly and get the public on side for the most part.

If they try and get all militant and unreasonable all that will be undone.

 

[EvoUK]

Lizzie line:
2 year deal
3.6% 2026
4.7% 2027

No changes to T&C

 

[iphone76]

Lizzie line:
2 year deal
3.6% 2026
4.7% 2027

No changes to T&C

Just to clarify, 2027's increase is February 2027's RPI figure capped at 4.7%. If it is above that level, negotiations recommence.

 

[akaMcMonagle]

TfW have agreed 1 year at RPI (3.6% for this year) with drivers and 2 years for guards.

To follow on from this for TfW. Catering and Cleaning grades have agreed a 2 Year deal for RPI

 

[LokiB]

Northern - 3.6% agreed.

 

[Straus]

Network Rail management grades are tied in to CPI for the next few years, I think this year was around 3% this year.

Might be some level of alignment under GBR? Who knows...

 

[66701GBRF]

From the freight side, 3.8% has just been agreed with GBRf for 2026.

 

[Hugo3000]

Northern - 3.6% agreed.

Only for drivers - talks are not going well (if at all!?) for other grades.

 

[L.M_DannyC]

3.6% been agreed at Chiltern.

 

[choochoochoo]

I've heard GTR has offered 4.4% for Thameslink and GN drivers for the Oct 2025 deal with some minor adjustments to T & Cs.

 

[Goldfish62]

Surely under public ownership, every grade in every business area (ToC) will need to be paid the same and have a pay review body like every other public sector organisation.

That is not how every public body works by any means.

 

[whoosh]

I've heard GTR has offered 4.4% for Thameslink and GN drivers for the Oct 2025 deal with some minor adjustments to T & Cs.

Shortly to be put out to a referendum.

 

[KM1991]

I've heard GTR has offered 4.4% for Thameslink and GN drivers for the Oct 2025 deal with some minor adjustments to T & Cs.

And yet RMT put a 3.4% offer to a referendum to GTR staff in November last year with a recommendation of yes.

Seeing that makes the bad offer last year even worse.

 

[whoosh]

And yet RMT put a 3.4% offer to a referendum to GTR staff in November last year with a recommendation of yes.

Seeing that makes the bad offer last year even worse.

Whilst the offer wasn't made until November, was the pay anniversary for other grades not April though? So would be based on February 2025's inflation figure - RPI for February 2025 was 3.4%.

An October pay anniversary (which the drivers at GTR have) would be based on August's inflation - RPI for August 2025 was 4.6%. They are being offered 4.4% which is below inflation for their pay anniversary.

You might have got a better deal than you think!

 

[traintrack2]

3.6% been agreed at Chiltern.

Is that for general grades?

 

[officewalla]

That is not how every public body works by any means.

Really, armed forces, teachers, civil servants, police, fire fighters, NHS (several different review bodies), judiciary: any public body missed?

 

[Goldfish62]

Really, armed forces, teachers, civil servants, police, fire fighters, NHS (several different review bodies), judiciary: any public body missed?

Plenty. Executive bodies, non-departmental government organisations, local government, devolved governments. Etc.

 

[loudmouth]

I've heard GTR has offered 4.4% for Thameslink and GN drivers for the Oct 2025 deal with some minor adjustments to T & Cs.

Do you know what GTR Southern have been offered?

 

[dsc17]

GA Staff been offered 3% without strings or 3.6% with strings

 

[Blasian317]

GA drivers still nothing

 

[officewalla]

Plenty. Executive bodies, non-departmental government organisations, local government, devolved governments. Etc.

You have misunderstood. My point was about big national public sector areas who all have pay review bodies. A national rail organisation will at some point need the same to harmonise pay and some major terms and conditions across the whole company. Of course it will only apply to England for ToC staff as there is nothing great or British about GBR when the devolved governments retain transport responsibilities.

 

[Teddyward]

GA drivers still nothing

Next Friday. Probably.

 

[LondonRrd]

You have misunderstood. My point was about big national public sector areas who all have pay review bodies. A national rail organisation will at some point need the same to harmonise pay and some major terms and conditions across the whole company. Of course it will only apply to England for ToC staff as there is nothing great or British about GBR when the devolved governments retain transport responsibilities.

Assume it would also apply to staff based in devolved countries but working for ToCs who are under GBR umbrella. For example GWR staff based in Swansea.

 

[Goldfish62]

You have misunderstood. My point was about big national public sector areas who all have pay review bodies. A national rail organisation will at some point need the same to harmonise pay and some major terms and conditions across the whole company. Of course it will only apply to England for ToC staff as there is nothing great or British about GBR when the devolved governments retain transport responsibilities.

Ah yes, the elephant in the room. Harmonisation of pay and conditions. Certainly not a given I'd have thought.

 

[Traffic71]

4.4% which was accepted. Got it paid this month along with the back pay.

Do you know what GTR Southern have been offe